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welcome back everybody it's gonna be a

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great day today we are chatting with uh

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let's move on day and as a lot of you

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know Jason is a mufon investigator and

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today we have Jeremy Ray uh you might

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have seen him on uh Hangar One UFO files

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also the Alaska triangle field

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investigator now Chief investigator for

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Colorado of mufon uh here's a guy who's

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literally been involved with hundreds if

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not thousands of cases separate the

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garbage from the good and Jason as you

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know that's probably not a very easy

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thing to do it's a lot of work this

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guy's been at it for a long time and to

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get to the level that he's at he's even

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a star team investigator as well like

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you got to know your stuff you got to be

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good and the dedication that it takes to

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work uh for free right this is a a

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non-profit organization so nobody's

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making any money doing this so the fact

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that he's been doing it for what 17

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years now uh it's crazy it shows

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dedication yeah and I want to ask him

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too as a guy who's seen you know

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everything heard everybody's story when

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you go to bed at night what do you think

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like now that you've been given all

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these little bits of the puzzle a lot of

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us don't have what do you actually think

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about the whole phenomenon and I like

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getting these people sort of it's taken

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them years to form their opinion as of

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now and I'm curious to know what ham and

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some of our other guests this year's

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right now opinion is so we're gonna ask

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them all that and I'll be right back

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welcome back everybody to another

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episode of UAP studies podcast I am

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Louis Borges joining me as always my

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good friend and illustrious co-host

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Jason Gilman how you doing I am doing

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very good I was going to say uh this in

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a previous episode but you have not

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gained any weight at all during the

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holidays Louie I haven't gained weight

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since I was 18 years old I'm the track

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and field hockey player that can eat

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whatever he wants and never gain a pound

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everybody hates me for it but if I

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wanted to put on 20 pounds I would have

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a hard time to do that so you can be

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like a Christian Bale that could just uh

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put on or lose pounds as you as you

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wishes yeah and Matthew McConaughey he's

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got a thing for doing that too looking

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all gaunt and starving you know just to

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make a roll happen but but today's mufon

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day couple of mufon guys in the house

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here Jason you remember mufon and our

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guest Jeremy Ray is also and we want to

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welcome Jeremy Ray and many of you have

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seen him on TV starved shows like hanger

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One UFO files and the Alaskan triangle

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uh he's been researching over 15 years

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in California

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and Texas as well currently he's a chief

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investigator for Colorado mufon and even

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did some work with Bigelow Aerospace

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bass looking at some high profile UFO

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cases as well so a very warm welcome to

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the show Mr Jeremy Ray

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thanks for bringing me on this awesome

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show I appreciate it sir appreciate

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having you man it's our favorite thing

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to do on a Sunday is chat about uaps and

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all things uh UFO and alien related and

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we want to pick your brain you've been

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doing this a long time but for some of

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our viewers who aren't familiar with you

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maybe tell us a little bit about

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yourself and what got you into this

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field oh that's easy yeah I'm um I

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joined mufon and well what got me into

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this field is I didn't believe in UFOs

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when I was a kid growing up I saw one

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with my own eyes and that day

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changed my entire life and from that day

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forward with 1996 to now I've been

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heavily just trying to solve the mystery

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I mean I know UFOs are real my main

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questions are who are they why are they

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here

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um what do they want those are three

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questions I haven't had an answer to yet

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I've been doing I've been in mufon for

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about 17 years now but um yeah kind of

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hopping around here what how it started

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it was March the 20th 1996 I was a Cadet

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at a Marine Military Academy and I was

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home for spring break and uh my hometown

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was uh during a time was Victoria Texas

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we lived in a real nice neighborhood it

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was called Bramble Bush and one of my

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buddies he had a pickup truck he had a

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driver's license I didn't have a

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driver's license yet I was that was I

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think I was about 17. and our plan was

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we were going to go to South Padre

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Island and uh party and somehow I was

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going to score the beer and all this

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kind of stuff so I had this Surefire

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plan and we're gonna have a great time

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well anyway that didn't happen I was

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walking over to his house

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came around a corner the neighborhood

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kind of Curves a little bit and when I

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came around there was this light

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hovering about Tree Top level

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big sucker and it was bright it was

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brighter it was brighter than the sun

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but it didn't hurt your eyes to look at

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it it's really weird and strange and I

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I stood there for about five minutes and

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I couldn't figure out what it was so I

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started ringing the doorbells to get

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neighbors out of the house because I

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figured well I'll get a grown-up out

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here to tell me what this is and

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so I walked across the street rang

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doorbell

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neighbor came out I didn't know him

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because there were many houses down from

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where I lived so I introduced myself and

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um I said I said hi I'm Jeremy Ray I'm

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I'm your neighbor down the street I just

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happened to be walking in the

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neighborhood and I see this light right

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over here and I can't tell what it is

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and I was hoping maybe you could tell me

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what it is Sir so he had an awning kind

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of thing to where he couldn't see so he

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had to step out and when he stepped out

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he looked at the object and then he

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looked at me and he goes holy Mary

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Mother of God and then he turned around

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and went back inside his house and I

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thought that was

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kind of strange reaction because it's

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just a light you know it's obviously

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some kind of weather phenomenon or

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something I just needed a scientific

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answer so I could go on with my day so I

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started walking down the sidewalk to

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ring another neighbor's door and when I

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did that the first neighbor his name was

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Dick he came out with his wife and he

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had a camera and sunglasses and he was

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he was ready to rock so I turned back

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around and walked back I go so so this

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isn't normal is it he goes no it isn't

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I've never seen anything like this in my

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life

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so when I started to walk

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when I Stood Beside him I said let's see

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you think we can get a picture of it

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because the sun was up here and the UFO

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is right under the Sun so the sun just

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beating down your eyes it's around three

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o'clock in the afternoon and

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um so anyway dick brought the camera up

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it was one of those old ones that you

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have to wind up and he brought it up and

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when he brought it up the object shot

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right up into the sun to where we

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couldn't see it I mean it actually

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reacted to Dick's movement so I thought

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it was going to leave so I told dick put

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the camera down and as soon as he

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brought the camera down the object came

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back to its original position and that's

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when we knew it was under some kind of

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intelligent control I mean we were we

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were shocked so I wanted to get under it

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because the sun was in my face so I

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walked towards it and when I was walking

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towards it it started to back up now it

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stayed at the pace of my my walk-in Pace

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okay so for me it just looked like the

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object was there and I just wasn't

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getting to it but they were standing

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still and they were like yes it's

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backing away from you and I was arguing

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with them saying no it's not bad in the

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way it's right here because I stop and I

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don't see it moving and then I start

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moving I just can't get to it I think

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the best way to describe what this

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object looked like if you're walking in

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a parking lot

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and you saw the sun beat down on a

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bumper that's what it looked like it was

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like a bright light with these streaks

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coming out on the side so anyway I

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walked back the object followed me and I

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figured well it's not going to let me

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get under it so since it's following me

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I'll just let it follow me and I'll walk

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past dick and his wife and once it comes

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and I told him I say once it goes over

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your head tell me what you see

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so I walked past them and it stopped

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before it went over them and then this

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way I flanked around it when I got

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behind it and I was in uh

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Mrs ladwick's yard and rang her doorbell

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and got her out

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and uh anyway this object hung around

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for 15 minutes I got a really good look

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at it uh I'm skipping a few things uh

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one time when Dick's like yeah I can see

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more of the sunglasses I put I was like

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well let me take a look so I put the

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sunglasses on and what I could see in

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the light was like I call them four iron

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bars it was actual metal structure up

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there like what I said when I saw my

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normal eyes just a bright light but when

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I put the sunglass on I could see these

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bars and I could see the light pulsating

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around the bars to where you couldn't

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see the bars anymore and then it would

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pulsate back and I would see it it was

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almost like it was breathing so he knew

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there was something up there so I was

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getting kind of excited

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I told Miss ladwick and she freaked out

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and um I think she said oh my God and

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she walked directly under it and when

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she got under it it took off and the

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if you had a rubber band and you cut the

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rubber band and you held one in and I

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held the other and let go of it it just

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looked like it folded upon itself and I

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can't tell you which direction it went

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it was so fast I just remember

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everybody's Shadows got real dark and

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when I looked up

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it looked like a rattlesnake

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and the scales were lighting up

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beautiful like neon colors purple pink

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and blue it was just flashing and it

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just flam I mean like in a second

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so like I say that one day

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that one day changed my life and move on

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we we have a you know the jock valet

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classification system Close Encounters

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um I think yeah I think it's reality

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transformation and that is true my whole

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reality

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changed just what I believed was

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impossible it's now possible I mean I

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just I didn't care about going to South

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Padre Island I didn't care about doing

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that was not important anymore all right

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what was important was to try to figure

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out what this was and then over years

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you know it's in the 90s it wasn't

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acceptable

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um you I went through the ridicule

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Factor over and over trying to justify

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what I've seen and

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in my small town reputation is important

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and I didn't care about that it was more

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important to me and I just remember one

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day when I was 18 I said you know when I

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get older and I grow up

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I'm going to educate the public about

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UFOs because this is real and we got to

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figure out what it is because even the

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grown-ups don't have an answer to me

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that was a big you know when you're

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growing up as a kid you think the

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grown-ups know everything they don't

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because even

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me right now I still don't know

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what it was that I saw and I've looked

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at thousands of UFO pictures that come

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in to move on and I still haven't found

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one that looks exactly like the one I

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saw yeah so that kind of um over years

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when I got into college

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I was studying in I.T and I just didn't

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want to do it and I thought about man I

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want to be a UFO investigator that's

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what I want to do so I looked it up and

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I realized they don't pay

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and uh I was like you know what screw it

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I'm going to do it anyway and I've been

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with mufon for 17 years I started out in

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Colorado California I was investigated

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here under Reuben yorate he was my state

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director at any time he trained me and

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then I moved to Texas right before

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Stephenville happened and I believe Ken

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Cherry was the state director during

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that time and that's the time I got on

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the Star team and we'll we'll get on to

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that in a minute and then I moved up to

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Colorado and I've been here ever since I

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think I've been here for over 12 years

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and I'm Chief investigator of Colorado

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Mill fun so yeah is Colorado like a hot

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spot as well for UAP activity yes sir

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yeah yep you got all the nice military

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bases around here when you name it yeah

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you got North command you've got you got

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everything I mean the question is what

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are these UFOs are these some high-tech

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uh new you know Aerospace

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drones that we're thinking it's

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something else or or there's are there

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others I think the answer to that

329
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question is true on both right so yes

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there's a lot of activity in Colorado

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there's a lot of activity in California

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Texas

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um I know we talk about hot spots a lot

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sometimes but every state

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every state has got UFO reports coming

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in I mean it's you as a moof

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investigator or you can get into CMS and

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and see that there's cases coming in

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Daily and most of the public don't know

340
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that they think that it's a once a month

341
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or once a year type thing we get reports

342
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all the time yeah and to mention too

343
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that it's like what one out of ten

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people that will report citing that they

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see and that that's a huge deal I mean

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if you're getting reports every day that

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means a lot more people are seeing this

348
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this is a lot more prevalent than is you

349
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know uh out there right now or the

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reports that are coming in yes sir

351
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that's a that's a huge deal even though

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some of the reports can be explained

353
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away come to a down-to-earth explanation

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because some

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some people are not uh

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uh uh what's the word I'm looking for

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they don't look at the sky very much

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they look at their phones so they might

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not know a celestial object or what a

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satellite looks like or you know and so

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that's what we try to do is root those

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things out and sometimes when we do come

363
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to an unknown it doesn't mean it's a an

364
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extraterrestrial spaceship from another

365
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planet it just means we went through our

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entire checklist and we can't come to a

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you know down to earth explanation of

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what the individual assault but most of

369
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the time when people report a UFO

370
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sighting to move on I mean they really

371
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uh they had to it really bothered them

372
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and they wanted to get it get it out and

373
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they had to do the research to find move

374
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on and then submit the report but you

375
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are correct about the one to ten ratio

376
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usually one person sees it but actually

377
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10 people see it and that that's the one

378
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person that makes that report yeah so

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and when they actually go to and submit

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the report I mean it's quite uh you know

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they're just yeah there's a lot of

382
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questions are being asked so you got to

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really mean you know your submission at

384
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that point just you know to submit it

385
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and then wait for a reply right so yeah

386
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I always I always thought that was

387
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fascinating obviously the state says a

388
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lot more uh citing reports than Canada

389
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does but you guys have a larger

390
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population as well California is very

391
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populated so they see you know there's a

392
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lot more reports there as well but uh

393
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just the United States in general seems

394
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to be such an active hot spot for UAP

395
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sightings I know that's taken place

396
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everywhere else but you never hear

397
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anything coming from China and I don't

398
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think they're ever going to admit that

399
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they're having a problem with this as

400
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well but it's you know the United States

401
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is but basically you know when we think

402
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UFOs or Crash Landing it's always

403
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Roswell or one of these incidences so uh

404
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yeah no it's great to to be honest no I

405
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want to talk about the Star Team sure

406
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with mufon so

407
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um first of all what kind of training

408
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goes into becoming a star team and what

409
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does the star team do oh well uh

410
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well there's if I can break it up into

411
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two parts the start team in the

412
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beginning the very beginning of move on

413
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we're only five people they had

414
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you know phds they were the they were

415
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just like the best of the best of

416
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investigators and um the only time where

417
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that spread out to where more move on

418
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field investigators could become star

419
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team is when Bigelow stepped in and

420
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started funding UFO research and uh that

421
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was the first time

422
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um me and many others got paid because

423
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mufon we don't we don't collect a

424
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paycheck this is all volunteering it's a

425
00:16:02,030 --> 00:15:58,980
non-profit organization uh but that

426
00:16:04,970 --> 00:16:02,040
these cases that were uh that you would

427
00:16:06,829 --> 00:16:04,980
get paid for were uh it wasn't like a

428
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simple lights in the sky it would be a

429
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category two or type or category two or

430
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three type cases and those dealt with

431
00:16:16,370 --> 00:16:14,040
Close Encounters are the first second

432
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third fourth and fifth kind Landing

433
00:16:20,150 --> 00:16:17,820
trace evidence

434
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maybe material recovered and if we ever

435
00:16:24,110 --> 00:16:22,620
were lucky maybe a crash retrieval if we

436
00:16:26,990 --> 00:16:24,120
could beat Men In Black or the military

437
00:16:29,269 --> 00:16:27,000
you know so that was that was the goal

438
00:16:30,290 --> 00:16:29,279
of when Bigelow stepped in now I'm still

439
00:16:32,750 --> 00:16:30,300
having to answer your question about

440
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training that would be

441
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um you've been an investigator for quite

442
00:16:38,509 --> 00:16:36,420
some time you know what I mean but yeah

443
00:16:40,490 --> 00:16:38,519
yeah so like to be on the Star team is

444
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to be on for for a while or you talk

445
00:16:45,170 --> 00:16:43,139
about yeah I mean yeah I'm backing up

446
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I'm sorry hopping around too much so you

447
00:16:48,829 --> 00:16:46,560
would have to be investigator for a

448
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while and kind of know your stuff and

449
00:16:52,430 --> 00:16:50,639
then usually the state director or

450
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assistant state director would be like

451
00:16:55,189 --> 00:16:54,060
you know you're a great investigator

452
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you're doing a great job we're putting

453
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you on the Star team

454
00:17:01,610 --> 00:16:59,639
the Star team now isn't like that but

455
00:17:04,069 --> 00:17:01,620
back during the Bigelow times

456
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that's what was that's what they were

457
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calling it it was basically star was an

458
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acronym for Strike Team for area

459
00:17:11,809 --> 00:17:10,319
research supposed to be a rapid response

460
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special unit to deploy anywhere in the

461
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United States in 24 hours to deal with a

462
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case that would have evidence but

463
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Bigelow Aerospace Advanced space studies

464
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and mufine created this sip project sip

465
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stood for Star impact project so that's

466
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the project I was talking about and that

467
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went on for about a year and it was cool

468
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I mean I had

469
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he couldn't make a living doing it um I

470
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don't know I was a little naive when I

471
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was 20 I was like I'm gonna make a

472
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living doing this now I only had two

473
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cases in a year they had to be really

474
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good cases that

475
00:17:51,049 --> 00:17:48,120
that you know that I'd get paid for and

476
00:17:52,549 --> 00:17:51,059
I and is basically 100 bucks a case but

477
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they covered um

478
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or individual so if I interviewed you

479
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and and somebody else that might be 200

480
00:18:01,250 --> 00:17:58,860
bucks but everything was covered your

481
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hotel your flight your rent a car

482
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it was it was it was really cool and it

483
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actually worked it showed that mufon

484
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could have a a quick reaction type force

485
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and I I would say I've heard other

486
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people have different opinions but for

487
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my opinion it was very successful right

488
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and speaking of cases uh Hangar One UFO

489
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files was a show just dedicated to

490
00:18:24,830 --> 00:18:23,220
talking about mufon cases and you were

491
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on it for quite a few years are there

492
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any that really stand out or stick with

493
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you as being like sort of your favorites

494
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or most popular like of all the move on

495
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one of the ones that you really feel are

496
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worth looking at

497
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well the

498
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okay if you're talking about hanger One

499
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most of all those cases that I witness

500
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Witnesses gave permission to have their

501
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story told some of my personal base best

502
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cases they don't want nobody knowing so

503
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I can't really I can tell you what

504
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happened but I can't give details but I

505
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I've had a star team case through

506
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Bigelow where two individuals were

507
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driving down the road and a UFO came and

508
00:19:10,130 --> 00:19:03,299
took them

509
00:19:11,390 --> 00:19:10,140
and uh yeah so uh I interviewed those

510
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guys

511
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what a very strange case matter of fact

512
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I'll elaborate on that and I'll tell you

513
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a little bit about how that was so these

514
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two guys went on a vacation and uh they

515
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were heading back home and they had

516
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about a four hour drive to to their

517
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destination and they decided to pull off

518
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the road because they saw a bunch of

519
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groundhogs one of the the passenger

520
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I'll call them witness being was an

521
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amateur photographer and he wanted to

522
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get out and take pictures of these

523
00:19:40,730 --> 00:19:38,820
groundhogs so when he got out he started

524
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taking it they started getting a feeling

525
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like they were being watched they needed

526
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to get out of there they kind of didn't

527
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even have to communicate with each other

528
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just it just got spooked for some reason

529
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their intuition was I guess kicking in

530
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overdrive so they got in the car and it

531
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was probably a mile after they started

532
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driving for a minute

533
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when they started driving and all of a

534
00:20:05,090 --> 00:20:02,280
sudden up Flying Saucer like the bottom

535
00:20:06,590 --> 00:20:05,100
of a of a plate just comes right over

536
00:20:10,490 --> 00:20:06,600
the top of their car

537
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and stays with them and so the guy

538
00:20:15,650 --> 00:20:13,380
puts metal to the you know it starts to

539
00:20:17,750 --> 00:20:15,660
go as fast as you can to outrun it and

540
00:20:19,190 --> 00:20:17,760
while he's doing it the passengers

541
00:20:21,529 --> 00:20:19,200
looking out the window and he sees this

542
00:20:23,090 --> 00:20:21,539
naked man running through the desert now

543
00:20:25,730 --> 00:20:23,100
keep in mind they're going about 80 to

544
00:20:27,950 --> 00:20:25,740
90 miles an hour okay and this thing's

545
00:20:29,570 --> 00:20:27,960
catching up to him and it's running that

546
00:20:31,850 --> 00:20:29,580
it's running diagonal while they're

547
00:20:33,529 --> 00:20:31,860
going straight down the road and so

548
00:20:36,049 --> 00:20:33,539
obviously it was going faster than a car

549
00:20:39,770 --> 00:20:36,059
and by the time it got close

550
00:20:41,390 --> 00:20:39,780
it was like a it wasn't a human the head

551
00:20:44,570 --> 00:20:41,400
they just they both described looked

552
00:20:46,669 --> 00:20:44,580
like an upside down teardrop a big head

553
00:20:48,350 --> 00:20:46,679
Little Neck little and the head was kind

554
00:20:50,750 --> 00:20:48,360
of cocked this way like the head looked

555
00:20:52,430 --> 00:20:50,760
too heavy you know like he was having a

556
00:20:54,950 --> 00:20:52,440
hard time holding its head but it was

557
00:20:57,049 --> 00:20:54,960
running up running up to the car and so

558
00:20:58,970 --> 00:20:57,059
they have this coming their way and

559
00:21:00,590 --> 00:20:58,980
they've got a UFO over their head or a

560
00:21:02,990 --> 00:21:00,600
flying saucer and the next thing you

561
00:21:05,510 --> 00:21:03,000
know there was a big loud bang and the

562
00:21:07,549 --> 00:21:05,520
hole when when that beam got close to

563
00:21:08,930 --> 00:21:07,559
the car and the whole car lit up bright

564
00:21:12,350 --> 00:21:08,940
white and they felt like they were being

565
00:21:14,090 --> 00:21:12,360
lifted up they have no memory on what

566
00:21:15,830 --> 00:21:14,100
happened

567
00:21:17,690 --> 00:21:15,840
um all they know is they were driving

568
00:21:19,789 --> 00:21:17,700
down the road they were giggling and

569
00:21:21,830 --> 00:21:19,799
having a good time and then the guy goes

570
00:21:23,630 --> 00:21:21,840
the pat witness B the passenger goes hey

571
00:21:25,549 --> 00:21:23,640
didn't we hit somebody because they had

572
00:21:27,710 --> 00:21:25,559
a rental car it's like didn't we hit

573
00:21:29,450 --> 00:21:27,720
something and then the other guy's like

574
00:21:31,190 --> 00:21:29,460
yeah you know what I do remember a bank

575
00:21:32,870 --> 00:21:31,200
so they pulled outside of the road

576
00:21:35,330 --> 00:21:32,880
wonder wonder why they couldn't remember

577
00:21:37,490 --> 00:21:35,340
any more details and when they started

578
00:21:39,529 --> 00:21:37,500
to walk around the car that's when all

579
00:21:42,110 --> 00:21:39,539
their memories came back of them trying

580
00:21:45,590 --> 00:21:42,120
to outrun the saucer above their head

581
00:21:47,750 --> 00:21:45,600
and just being run alongside in the

582
00:21:50,330 --> 00:21:47,760
desert catching up to him

583
00:21:53,390 --> 00:21:50,340
um they had two hours of missing time

584
00:21:55,610 --> 00:21:53,400
they should have been home a lot sooner

585
00:21:57,230 --> 00:21:55,620
um so they it really shook them up once

586
00:21:58,970 --> 00:21:57,240
they started going back and forth and

587
00:22:03,110 --> 00:21:58,980
they contacted

588
00:22:04,789 --> 00:22:03,120
time that's when Bigelow this project

589
00:22:06,890 --> 00:22:04,799
was started so they took a very

590
00:22:09,590 --> 00:22:06,900
interesting uh they they found that a

591
00:22:12,409 --> 00:22:09,600
case of Interest so Bigelow sent their

592
00:22:14,390 --> 00:22:12,419
team out first not move on and when

593
00:22:16,250 --> 00:22:14,400
Bigelow arrived at the house or called

594
00:22:18,590 --> 00:22:16,260
them well remember how the details went

595
00:22:21,049 --> 00:22:18,600
they were really upset because they

596
00:22:24,049 --> 00:22:21,059
contacted mufon and they were wondering

597
00:22:26,930 --> 00:22:24,059
why Bigelow Aerospace is calling them

598
00:22:28,549 --> 00:22:26,940
and so they decided

599
00:22:29,770 --> 00:22:28,559
they didn't want to talk to mufan they

600
00:22:31,970 --> 00:22:29,780
didn't want to talk to anybody

601
00:22:34,850 --> 00:22:31,980
communication just stopped and then I

602
00:22:37,430 --> 00:22:34,860
got a call from Richard Lang who was my

603
00:22:39,110 --> 00:22:37,440
Star team manager during the time and he

604
00:22:41,510 --> 00:22:39,120
knew I was apparently pretty friendly

605
00:22:43,610 --> 00:22:41,520
guy easy to approach and he wanted me to

606
00:22:45,890 --> 00:22:43,620
give it a second attempt so about two

607
00:22:48,649 --> 00:22:45,900
weeks later I was able to win their

608
00:22:50,870 --> 00:22:48,659
trust and actually conduct a proper

609
00:22:54,289 --> 00:22:50,880
investigation and

610
00:22:56,330 --> 00:22:54,299
um supposedly that vehicle this is where

611
00:22:58,850 --> 00:22:56,340
my part stops I just wrapped a report

612
00:23:01,130 --> 00:22:58,860
but supposedly that Rent-A-Car was from

613
00:23:04,630 --> 00:23:01,140
Hertz and I believe that Bigelow bought

614
00:23:08,090 --> 00:23:04,640
it and uh we had a science advisor named

615
00:23:10,549 --> 00:23:08,100
Scientific Advisor named Chuck Malden

616
00:23:12,169 --> 00:23:10,559
and I believe he scanned it and what was

617
00:23:14,090 --> 00:23:12,179
the only thing they got off that vehicle

618
00:23:16,130 --> 00:23:14,100
was a high electromagnetic radiation

619
00:23:18,049 --> 00:23:16,140
coming off the windshield

620
00:23:21,529 --> 00:23:18,059
which doesn't make sense several weeks

621
00:23:24,950 --> 00:23:21,539
later okay right so uh

622
00:23:26,810 --> 00:23:24,960
I asked Chuck I said why you know it's

623
00:23:28,010 --> 00:23:26,820
made out of a breakaway glass it

624
00:23:30,230 --> 00:23:28,020
shouldn't be doing that why is this

625
00:23:33,169 --> 00:23:30,240
happening and his answer to me was

626
00:23:35,210 --> 00:23:33,179
shocking he goes well I think when they

627
00:23:36,230 --> 00:23:35,220
took them they didn't open the car doors

628
00:23:38,510 --> 00:23:36,240
they just pulled them through the

629
00:23:40,909 --> 00:23:38,520
windshield that's what he was thinking

630
00:23:43,669 --> 00:23:40,919
you know so it just kind of went over my

631
00:23:46,070 --> 00:23:43,679
head but Chuck Chuck's Chuck was a

632
00:23:48,830 --> 00:23:46,080
scientist and I believe he worked at Los

633
00:23:50,930 --> 00:23:48,840
Alamos don't quote me on that but he he

634
00:23:53,630 --> 00:23:50,940
was a un weapons inspector and I believe

635
00:23:54,950 --> 00:23:53,640
Saddam Hussein had a head out on him for

636
00:23:56,990 --> 00:23:54,960
something that happened during Desert

637
00:23:59,630 --> 00:23:57,000
Storm inspecting that kind of stuff but

638
00:24:01,130 --> 00:23:59,640
uh but um yeah that would be an

639
00:24:03,529 --> 00:24:01,140
interesting guy to interview because he

640
00:24:06,049 --> 00:24:03,539
got to look at the evidence and check

641
00:24:08,270 --> 00:24:06,059
all that stuff so but I I will never

642
00:24:10,130 --> 00:24:08,280
forget that case because I actually

643
00:24:11,930 --> 00:24:10,140
believe it really happened

644
00:24:13,310 --> 00:24:11,940
these guys were scared out in their

645
00:24:13,850 --> 00:24:13,320
minds

646
00:24:16,610 --> 00:24:13,860
um

647
00:24:18,830 --> 00:24:16,620
it's really hard to fake that uh and I I

648
00:24:20,750 --> 00:24:18,840
just kind of feel like they were hoping

649
00:24:23,450 --> 00:24:20,760
we would have answers for them and I'm

650
00:24:26,210 --> 00:24:23,460
so sorry I don't I just

651
00:24:28,669 --> 00:24:26,220
it you know we interviewed uh Calvin

652
00:24:30,289 --> 00:24:28,679
Parker and he was mentioning about his

653
00:24:32,330 --> 00:24:30,299
experience with his uh friend which

654
00:24:36,890 --> 00:24:32,340
always forget the name of his his uh

655
00:24:39,289 --> 00:24:36,900
Charlie Charlie Hicks right yeah

656
00:24:42,470 --> 00:24:39,299
um and you know just to hear that story

657
00:24:44,510 --> 00:24:42,480
and I had wondered if he had ever had a

658
00:24:46,130 --> 00:24:44,520
a follow-up because we hear about these

659
00:24:48,529 --> 00:24:46,140
one-offs we call them one-offs because

660
00:24:50,810 --> 00:24:48,539
there's either people to have it run in

661
00:24:52,610 --> 00:24:50,820
their family where like Mom and Dad mom

662
00:24:54,110 --> 00:24:52,620
or dad got abducted now they get

663
00:24:56,090 --> 00:24:54,120
abducted and then their children are

664
00:24:57,770 --> 00:24:56,100
getting abducted so there's like a a

665
00:24:59,330 --> 00:24:57,780
family relation there and then there's

666
00:25:01,130 --> 00:24:59,340
one-offs like you know we're thinking

667
00:25:02,510 --> 00:25:01,140
Travis Walton for instance where they

668
00:25:04,669 --> 00:25:02,520
don't come back they don't take him

669
00:25:06,830 --> 00:25:04,679
again there's no previous history of

670
00:25:09,110 --> 00:25:06,840
abductions so I've always wondered what

671
00:25:11,510 --> 00:25:09,120
these one-offs were all about because it

672
00:25:13,250 --> 00:25:11,520
seems to not go with the theme of you

673
00:25:16,070 --> 00:25:13,260
know following the family

674
00:25:18,350 --> 00:25:16,080
line uh it's just yeah just this one

675
00:25:20,090 --> 00:25:18,360
time of like somebody getting taken and

676
00:25:22,730 --> 00:25:20,100
it was like a you know

677
00:25:24,789 --> 00:25:22,740
a a one-night stand if you will there's

678
00:25:27,529 --> 00:25:24,799
not gonna be a reason

679
00:25:29,029 --> 00:25:27,539
one is ongoing and one is you know

680
00:25:31,549 --> 00:25:29,039
looking for something different and yeah

681
00:25:33,590 --> 00:25:31,559
I need to go back yeah I remembered uh

682
00:25:35,330 --> 00:25:33,600
I've met Travis many times he comes to

683
00:25:37,370 --> 00:25:35,340
Colorado and speaks and we always go out

684
00:25:39,590 --> 00:25:37,380
to dinner and I remember one time he

685
00:25:42,169 --> 00:25:39,600
remember the movie Fire in the Sky he

686
00:25:44,210 --> 00:25:42,179
had he had little mini posters that he

687
00:25:47,090 --> 00:25:44,220
was selling I was like Hey I want to get

688
00:25:49,010 --> 00:25:47,100
one of those so when he signed it

689
00:25:51,649 --> 00:25:49,020
you know he signs his name but he leaves

690
00:25:54,010 --> 00:25:51,659
a little quote and his quote was take my

691
00:25:56,810 --> 00:25:54,020
advice stay in the truck

692
00:25:59,870 --> 00:25:56,820
so to answer your question I think it

693
00:26:01,610 --> 00:25:59,880
was just an OP uh being at the wrong

694
00:26:04,370 --> 00:26:01,620
place or being at the right place at the

695
00:26:06,529 --> 00:26:04,380
wrong time kind of scenario uh it seemed

696
00:26:08,810 --> 00:26:06,539
like that UFO was doing something out

697
00:26:11,750 --> 00:26:08,820
there Travis got out of the truck got

698
00:26:14,570 --> 00:26:11,760
under it it's highly possible that

699
00:26:16,430 --> 00:26:14,580
even my UFO sighting of how I was trying

700
00:26:18,409 --> 00:26:16,440
to get under it and it backed away it

701
00:26:20,390 --> 00:26:18,419
didn't want anybody to get right under

702
00:26:23,210 --> 00:26:20,400
it maybe there's something harmful to

703
00:26:25,669 --> 00:26:23,220
that maybe Travis really

704
00:26:28,730 --> 00:26:25,679
you know got real seriously hurt

705
00:26:31,190 --> 00:26:28,740
and they took him fixed him and brought

706
00:26:33,710 --> 00:26:31,200
him back several days later

707
00:26:36,049 --> 00:26:33,720
um and uh

708
00:26:38,330 --> 00:26:36,059
you know I I even to this day I would

709
00:26:41,630 --> 00:26:38,340
say my opinion of Travis is he's a

710
00:26:43,130 --> 00:26:41,640
haunted man you know it really I mean

711
00:26:44,930 --> 00:26:43,140
that was a long time ago and it's still

712
00:26:47,510 --> 00:26:44,940
effective you know I mean you know it's

713
00:26:49,730 --> 00:26:47,520
affected his life and I know he has

714
00:26:52,610 --> 00:26:49,740
regrets I think he probably wish he did

715
00:26:54,110 --> 00:26:52,620
stay in a truck that that that would be

716
00:26:57,110 --> 00:26:54,120
kind of um

717
00:27:00,010 --> 00:26:57,120
yeah wrong place at the wrong time maybe

718
00:27:02,510 --> 00:27:00,020
that's why he hasn't had any other

719
00:27:05,090 --> 00:27:02,520
experiences just that one time thing but

720
00:27:06,710 --> 00:27:05,100
we have cases where there that is a

721
00:27:08,930 --> 00:27:06,720
question that I'll ask when people are

722
00:27:10,250 --> 00:27:08,940
having multiple signings or having a

723
00:27:11,930 --> 00:27:10,260
really big sighting I would ask them

724
00:27:14,330 --> 00:27:11,940
have you seen any more

725
00:27:16,549 --> 00:27:14,340
and then there will be like when I was a

726
00:27:18,230 --> 00:27:16,559
little kid but my mother's seen it and

727
00:27:21,169 --> 00:27:18,240
my grandma's seen it and she talks about

728
00:27:23,090 --> 00:27:21,179
it and you start to see that there it

729
00:27:25,669 --> 00:27:23,100
kind of follows the

730
00:27:27,590 --> 00:27:25,679
you know then that woman will have a

731
00:27:29,690 --> 00:27:27,600
daughter and then the daughter will be

732
00:27:32,450 --> 00:27:29,700
saying she's been seeing things and it's

733
00:27:34,430 --> 00:27:32,460
just yeah that that pattern is is very

734
00:27:35,810 --> 00:27:34,440
real I don't know I've been here I've

735
00:27:38,090 --> 00:27:35,820
heard that a thousand times you know

736
00:27:39,830 --> 00:27:38,100
yeah well even like I was mentioning

737
00:27:42,289 --> 00:27:39,840
before I've mentioned this a few times

738
00:27:43,850 --> 00:27:42,299
on the podcast but uh you know when

739
00:27:46,490 --> 00:27:43,860
people find out that you're interested

740
00:27:47,930 --> 00:27:46,500
in the topic they'll come and approach

741
00:27:49,490 --> 00:27:47,940
you or they'll say you know what my my

742
00:27:50,570 --> 00:27:49,500
grandfather saw something one time when

743
00:27:53,210 --> 00:27:50,580
he was fishing it's always somebody

744
00:27:54,529 --> 00:27:53,220
that's fishing or walking a dog or

745
00:27:57,890 --> 00:27:54,539
smoking I think those are the people

746
00:28:00,169 --> 00:27:57,900
that only see uh UFOs or uaps but

747
00:28:02,090 --> 00:28:00,179
somebody knows somebody who's seen

748
00:28:03,830 --> 00:28:02,100
something enough to convince them that

749
00:28:05,990 --> 00:28:03,840
that was true like oh if you knew my

750
00:28:07,789 --> 00:28:06,000
grandfather you know he wouldn't lie and

751
00:28:09,710 --> 00:28:07,799
he said he saw that right it's like dude

752
00:28:11,510 --> 00:28:09,720
everybody knows like if you haven't seen

753
00:28:13,190 --> 00:28:11,520
one yourself you know somebody you're

754
00:28:16,250 --> 00:28:13,200
directly in link with somebody who has

755
00:28:18,710 --> 00:28:16,260
had an experience even talking with uh

756
00:28:21,830 --> 00:28:18,720
you know the people inside the CIA and

757
00:28:23,450 --> 00:28:21,840
the the Department of Defense people in

758
00:28:24,890 --> 00:28:23,460
there having experiences for quite and

759
00:28:26,890 --> 00:28:24,900
out loud they're waking up with you know

760
00:28:29,210 --> 00:28:26,900
the three little guys in their bedrooms

761
00:28:31,070 --> 00:28:29,220
like that's it's not just the general

762
00:28:32,930 --> 00:28:31,080
population it's people inside the

763
00:28:35,330 --> 00:28:32,940
Department of Defense people in the

764
00:28:37,190 --> 00:28:35,340
military like this is a huge issue that

765
00:28:39,590 --> 00:28:37,200
is you know well we're keeping it

766
00:28:41,810 --> 00:28:39,600
hush-hush but as you've been working on

767
00:28:43,370 --> 00:28:41,820
this for like 15 years uh have you come

768
00:28:45,409 --> 00:28:43,380
across anybody like that like somebody

769
00:28:47,210 --> 00:28:45,419
who's like deep in the stages saying hey

770
00:28:50,149 --> 00:28:47,220
you're doing a good job or there's

771
00:28:52,070 --> 00:28:50,159
something there to it oh yeah yeah I I

772
00:28:55,250 --> 00:28:52,080
would say the intelligence Community

773
00:28:57,769 --> 00:28:55,260
part of Defense they take this very very

774
00:28:59,870 --> 00:28:57,779
seriously yeah I think some of them are

775
00:29:01,669 --> 00:28:59,880
very scared

776
00:29:04,549 --> 00:29:01,679
um but yeah there's an interest in it

777
00:29:06,110 --> 00:29:04,559
especially in the Aerospace Community

778
00:29:09,710 --> 00:29:06,120
um a lot of these guys like even Robert

779
00:29:11,990 --> 00:29:09,720
Bigelow uh has said what he thought was

780
00:29:13,850 --> 00:29:12,000
valuable information if we could just

781
00:29:16,070 --> 00:29:13,860
get a case where someone said they were

782
00:29:18,529 --> 00:29:16,080
on board to craft

783
00:29:20,570 --> 00:29:18,539
he wanted to know what what the person

784
00:29:22,669 --> 00:29:20,580
saw he wanted to know what the cockpit

785
00:29:24,950 --> 00:29:22,679
looked like that's very valuable

786
00:29:26,330 --> 00:29:24,960
information what's the smell that's what

787
00:29:28,490 --> 00:29:26,340
I want to know what's the smell in there

788
00:29:31,130 --> 00:29:28,500
right like in a ship what's it smell

789
00:29:35,210 --> 00:29:31,140
like he was willing to pay money for it

790
00:29:37,370 --> 00:29:35,220
so uh so and that was because that was a

791
00:29:39,529 --> 00:29:37,380
big question with me and my a bunch of

792
00:29:40,549 --> 00:29:39,539
my colleagues was like why is he paying

793
00:29:43,669 --> 00:29:40,559
us for

794
00:29:46,130 --> 00:29:43,679
reports is because they find anything to

795
00:29:48,350 --> 00:29:46,140
do with the craft very you know anything

796
00:29:50,269 --> 00:29:48,360
that we can learn from a person's

797
00:29:52,130 --> 00:29:50,279
experience is valuable information that

798
00:29:54,409 --> 00:29:52,140
they were willing to pay I heard that

799
00:29:57,169 --> 00:29:54,419
statement and if you can figure out Zero

800
00:29:59,630 --> 00:29:57,179
Point Energy that's game over he who

801
00:30:00,889 --> 00:29:59,640
gets their first wins you know though in

802
00:30:02,710 --> 00:30:00,899
terms of military and everything else

803
00:30:05,930 --> 00:30:02,720
moving forward if you have technology

804
00:30:08,029 --> 00:30:05,940
similar to what UFO would have you can't

805
00:30:11,269 --> 00:30:08,039
go to war with uh with a group of people

806
00:30:13,190 --> 00:30:11,279
like that right well I thought about

807
00:30:15,110 --> 00:30:13,200
that I thought about why do they put the

808
00:30:16,430 --> 00:30:15,120
classification systems on that kind of

809
00:30:18,830 --> 00:30:16,440
stuff even if they have figured it out

810
00:30:20,690 --> 00:30:18,840
they would probably stamp a top secret I

811
00:30:22,070 --> 00:30:20,700
think the reason would be

812
00:30:23,810 --> 00:30:22,080
you know we always think being

813
00:30:27,470 --> 00:30:23,820
suppressed and let's stay with the oil

814
00:30:28,730 --> 00:30:27,480
and combustion engines I could see we

815
00:30:31,370 --> 00:30:28,740
would have to kind of spiritually grow

816
00:30:33,409 --> 00:30:31,380
up yeah because that's an enormous

817
00:30:35,750 --> 00:30:33,419
amount of power that you can grab from

818
00:30:37,630 --> 00:30:35,760
The Ether and travel to Cosmos right you

819
00:30:39,889 --> 00:30:37,640
get some disgruntled

820
00:30:42,049 --> 00:30:39,899
teenager or somebody that's got problems

821
00:30:44,630 --> 00:30:42,059
they could probably make a bomb out of

822
00:30:46,430 --> 00:30:44,640
it in their garage and not just blow up

823
00:30:49,430 --> 00:30:46,440
our planet but the entire solar system

824
00:30:51,830 --> 00:30:49,440
you don't understand the range of how

825
00:30:53,570 --> 00:30:51,840
powerful zero point is and I believe

826
00:30:56,269 --> 00:30:53,580
that Zero Point Energy I've heard I've

827
00:30:59,210 --> 00:30:56,279
talked to people in the field that's

828
00:31:01,430 --> 00:30:59,220
that's something of great interest

829
00:31:04,010 --> 00:31:01,440
um of how these vehicles fly but of

830
00:31:07,250 --> 00:31:04,020
course we could talk about Nikola Telsa

831
00:31:09,289 --> 00:31:07,260
and magnetics and you know I I don't

832
00:31:10,669 --> 00:31:09,299
think I think that's why they call uaps

833
00:31:13,610 --> 00:31:10,679
they don't call them UFOs because these

834
00:31:15,590 --> 00:31:13,620
objects are not flying yeah it's not

835
00:31:17,529 --> 00:31:15,600
always a craft or a physical object

836
00:31:19,909 --> 00:31:17,539
either right sometimes it's spooky

837
00:31:21,889 --> 00:31:19,919
orb-like things or just lights or

838
00:31:23,930 --> 00:31:21,899
energies or whatever but so what I

839
00:31:26,810 --> 00:31:23,940
wanted to ask you like you've been doing

840
00:31:28,430 --> 00:31:26,820
this years what do you sum it up as a

841
00:31:29,750 --> 00:31:28,440
lot of people have various theories like

842
00:31:31,549 --> 00:31:29,760
we chatted with Daryl Sims a little

843
00:31:34,370 --> 00:31:31,559
while ago and he was saying that the

844
00:31:37,850 --> 00:31:34,380
aliens we recognize are either created

845
00:31:39,350 --> 00:31:37,860
or hatched or cloned from the real Minds

846
00:31:41,210 --> 00:31:39,360
in the universe and they're just doing

847
00:31:43,490 --> 00:31:41,220
the work of it but yet that's all we get

848
00:31:46,970 --> 00:31:43,500
to see and he seems to think that it's

849
00:31:49,130 --> 00:31:46,980
not friendly and more more nefarious I

850
00:31:50,830 --> 00:31:49,140
guess type of side so like do you think

851
00:31:53,269 --> 00:31:50,840
these are Interstellar Travelers

852
00:31:54,830 --> 00:31:53,279
inter-dimensional are they here are you

853
00:31:56,090 --> 00:31:54,840
know like when you're when you go to bed

854
00:31:58,070 --> 00:31:56,100
at night and you got to try to make

855
00:31:59,930 --> 00:31:58,080
sense of all this what do you think

856
00:32:01,789 --> 00:31:59,940
about I know that's a difficult question

857
00:32:03,409 --> 00:32:01,799
no I can answer it what do you

858
00:32:04,310 --> 00:32:03,419
generically think this whole bloody

859
00:32:07,970 --> 00:32:04,320
thing is

860
00:32:09,649 --> 00:32:07,980
I would say that I a part of me my

861
00:32:12,889 --> 00:32:09,659
intuition feels that there's something

862
00:32:15,110 --> 00:32:12,899
that we haven't thought of yet okay but

863
00:32:17,450 --> 00:32:15,120
everything you just said Has crossed my

864
00:32:19,930 --> 00:32:17,460
mind are they here do they walk amongst

865
00:32:23,090 --> 00:32:19,940
us or the Grays more

866
00:32:25,310 --> 00:32:23,100
robotoid clones that are just busy

867
00:32:27,289 --> 00:32:25,320
worker bees to carry out a task and all

868
00:32:29,510 --> 00:32:27,299
the target tall grades are they in

869
00:32:31,190 --> 00:32:29,520
charge or are the reptilians he's here

870
00:32:34,250 --> 00:32:31,200
you hear what I call that I call that

871
00:32:36,470 --> 00:32:34,260
the lore yeah the lore of ufology and

872
00:32:39,110 --> 00:32:36,480
stories that you hear

873
00:32:42,230 --> 00:32:39,120
um there's one thing that I know and

874
00:32:44,630 --> 00:32:42,240
nobody can convince me is US human

875
00:32:46,130 --> 00:32:44,640
beings that yeah I I can argue with a

876
00:32:48,889 --> 00:32:46,140
religious person about this or whatever

877
00:32:50,870 --> 00:32:48,899
we don't know who we are we don't know

878
00:32:53,210 --> 00:32:50,880
why we're here we don't know what this

879
00:32:55,730 --> 00:32:53,220
reality is I think if we or what this

880
00:32:58,130 --> 00:32:55,740
place is if we had the true answers to

881
00:33:00,710 --> 00:32:58,140
those questions okay not that something

882
00:33:02,630 --> 00:33:00,720
my teacher told me or a book told me or

883
00:33:04,490 --> 00:33:02,640
things that were passed down we might be

884
00:33:07,549 --> 00:33:04,500
able to solve this I do know that

885
00:33:09,830 --> 00:33:07,559
Consciousness plays a huge key role to

886
00:33:12,350 --> 00:33:09,840
this that's that's hardly not really

887
00:33:15,230 --> 00:33:12,360
discussed I mean it is here and there

888
00:33:17,630 --> 00:33:15,240
but my experience with that UFO there

889
00:33:20,149 --> 00:33:17,640
was a Consciousness link I forgot to

890
00:33:22,370 --> 00:33:20,159
throw that in there I mean and if you

891
00:33:24,409 --> 00:33:22,380
ever go outside and see a UFO I would

892
00:33:26,630 --> 00:33:24,419
recommend you should say in your mind

893
00:33:28,490 --> 00:33:26,640
hey if you are who I think you are move

894
00:33:31,250 --> 00:33:28,500
to the left to verify and see if it does

895
00:33:32,870 --> 00:33:31,260
because this this isn't just me this is

896
00:33:35,330 --> 00:33:32,880
I hear this

897
00:33:37,610 --> 00:33:35,340
a lot so I'm gonna just sum this up this

898
00:33:39,470 --> 00:33:37,620
is what I think contact would be like it

899
00:33:41,509 --> 00:33:39,480
won't be like a UFO land on the White

900
00:33:42,830 --> 00:33:41,519
House lawn and an alien come out and say

901
00:33:44,450 --> 00:33:42,840
take me to

902
00:33:46,909 --> 00:33:44,460
to your leader or whatever you know what

903
00:33:50,029 --> 00:33:46,919
I mean it'll be more like we all wake up

904
00:33:51,049 --> 00:33:50,039
one day and I had this dream I want to

905
00:33:53,509 --> 00:33:51,059
tell you about

906
00:33:55,850 --> 00:33:53,519
and you had the same dream too

907
00:33:59,330 --> 00:33:55,860
we all had the same dream I think that's

908
00:34:01,850 --> 00:33:59,340
how Consciousness the contact of meeting

909
00:34:03,529 --> 00:34:01,860
these things because when from what I

910
00:34:05,630 --> 00:34:03,539
hear is when you make eye contact with

911
00:34:07,070 --> 00:34:05,640
these things you're completely naked I

912
00:34:09,530 --> 00:34:07,080
mean you there is a telepathic

913
00:34:12,349 --> 00:34:09,540
communication they're inside your mind

914
00:34:14,329 --> 00:34:12,359
you can't hide nothing you know if you

915
00:34:16,609 --> 00:34:14,339
want to lie or whatever and you're an

916
00:34:19,490 --> 00:34:16,619
open book and for people that have never

917
00:34:21,290 --> 00:34:19,500
experienced that for the first time

918
00:34:24,050 --> 00:34:21,300
that's that reality transformation

919
00:34:25,609 --> 00:34:24,060
that's when your mind is just blown you

920
00:34:29,089 --> 00:34:25,619
didn't even know you're capable of doing

921
00:34:31,129 --> 00:34:29,099
that you might be hearing my voice in

922
00:34:33,710 --> 00:34:31,139
your head but I'm not moving my mouth

923
00:34:35,270 --> 00:34:33,720
and I've hear this a lot I've had a case

924
00:34:37,730 --> 00:34:35,280
recently where

925
00:34:39,770 --> 00:34:37,740
a guy just made eye contact with the

926
00:34:41,149 --> 00:34:39,780
praying mantis type being that was on

927
00:34:44,450 --> 00:34:41,159
his property

928
00:34:46,190 --> 00:34:44,460
and uh they were communicating just for

929
00:34:49,129 --> 00:34:46,200
that few seconds

930
00:34:51,050 --> 00:34:49,139
and um for him

931
00:34:53,450 --> 00:34:51,060
it was kind of a psychological rate

932
00:34:55,609 --> 00:34:53,460
because he you know it's your mind it's

933
00:34:57,470 --> 00:34:55,619
your territory and this thing was all in

934
00:34:59,089 --> 00:34:57,480
it but he was also in the mind of that

935
00:35:01,250 --> 00:34:59,099
being too

936
00:35:04,849 --> 00:35:01,260
um and I've hear that a lot well we we

937
00:35:06,050 --> 00:35:04,859
don't really usually a move Farm uh I

938
00:35:07,670 --> 00:35:06,060
mean we hear these things we have a

939
00:35:10,430 --> 00:35:07,680
thing called ERT that will deal with

940
00:35:13,849 --> 00:35:10,440
those type of situations I mostly focus

941
00:35:16,069 --> 00:35:13,859
on nuts and bolts or basically citing

942
00:35:17,990 --> 00:35:16,079
reports now the nuts and bolts type

943
00:35:20,150 --> 00:35:18,000
craft I really think

944
00:35:23,030 --> 00:35:20,160
some of these might be ours I know the

945
00:35:24,890 --> 00:35:23,040
tr3b the black triangle you can't say

946
00:35:26,990 --> 00:35:24,900
that that's ours because that that

947
00:35:29,510 --> 00:35:27,000
there's reports back in the 1800s and

948
00:35:32,089 --> 00:35:29,520
before of triangle shape craft you got

949
00:35:34,250 --> 00:35:32,099
to keep that in mind but if it's metal

950
00:35:36,829 --> 00:35:34,260
urgy I'm kind of on the fence could this

951
00:35:37,790 --> 00:35:36,839
be a top secret Aerospace new high-tech

952
00:35:41,089 --> 00:35:37,800
drone

953
00:35:43,069 --> 00:35:41,099
like the Tic Tac UFO I just don't for me

954
00:35:45,770 --> 00:35:43,079
I'm on the fence on it that could be one

955
00:35:47,569 --> 00:35:45,780
of ours you know that's what I think but

956
00:35:49,790 --> 00:35:47,579
a new type of drone that could go

957
00:35:52,550 --> 00:35:49,800
underwater in the atmosphere and in

958
00:35:54,650 --> 00:35:52,560
space I'm willing to to say we need to

959
00:35:56,569 --> 00:35:54,660
look a little bit deeper on that but um

960
00:35:57,710 --> 00:35:56,579
when it comes to the other UFOs that are

961
00:36:00,290 --> 00:35:57,720
just lights

962
00:36:02,030 --> 00:36:00,300
or dimensional like mine was kind of

963
00:36:04,430 --> 00:36:02,040
dimensional when I looked at the light

964
00:36:05,930 --> 00:36:04,440
and I followed the Leading Edge of the

965
00:36:07,490 --> 00:36:05,940
beams that came out it started to become

966
00:36:09,170 --> 00:36:07,500
more transparent

967
00:36:11,390 --> 00:36:09,180
so it almost looked like it was a

968
00:36:14,089 --> 00:36:11,400
cloaked ship and the Sunshine was just

969
00:36:16,430 --> 00:36:14,099
bouncing off it at a certain or part of

970
00:36:18,290 --> 00:36:16,440
the ship wasn't um

971
00:36:19,490 --> 00:36:18,300
uh I was just seeing one part of the

972
00:36:21,650 --> 00:36:19,500
ship there might have been a bigger

973
00:36:24,530 --> 00:36:21,660
object that was there because and I

974
00:36:26,990 --> 00:36:24,540
think that happens a lot I've seen um I

975
00:36:29,390 --> 00:36:27,000
know they hide in clouds

976
00:36:31,030 --> 00:36:29,400
um get a lot of reports of that people

977
00:36:33,349 --> 00:36:31,040
think there's a cloud above them and

978
00:36:36,109 --> 00:36:33,359
I've actually had a sighting of my own

979
00:36:38,329 --> 00:36:36,119
very similar to that that but I've had

980
00:36:41,450 --> 00:36:38,339
sightings throughout my whole life

981
00:36:43,849 --> 00:36:41,460
and for me being a mufon investigator I

982
00:36:46,069 --> 00:36:43,859
do want to learn as much as I can and I

983
00:36:48,050 --> 00:36:46,079
am I'm still learning after 17 years but

984
00:36:50,510 --> 00:36:48,060
I'm also there to help people let them

985
00:36:52,370 --> 00:36:50,520
know that no you're not crazy I've been

986
00:36:54,710 --> 00:36:52,380
through it too I know you can't talk to

987
00:36:56,390 --> 00:36:54,720
your neighbors about it but you know yes

988
00:36:58,130 --> 00:36:56,400
you know some reassurance that's the

989
00:37:00,710 --> 00:36:58,140
best and I feel like I'm doing a good

990
00:37:03,710 --> 00:37:00,720
service to humanity and and actually I'm

991
00:37:05,390 --> 00:37:03,720
also a patriot if Uncle Sam wants to see

992
00:37:08,569 --> 00:37:05,400
what we're doing it's fine with me too I

993
00:37:09,950 --> 00:37:08,579
don't care I think we all need to kind

994
00:37:12,050 --> 00:37:09,960
of work together to solve this

995
00:37:14,089 --> 00:37:12,060
phenomenon I think it's very very

996
00:37:16,609 --> 00:37:14,099
important and it's definitely worthy of

997
00:37:18,589 --> 00:37:16,619
investigating you mentioned as well

998
00:37:20,990 --> 00:37:18,599
about the Consciousness thing and these

999
00:37:22,370 --> 00:37:21,000
crafts seem to be conscious like when

1000
00:37:24,230 --> 00:37:22,380
you're looking at one you're not just

1001
00:37:26,630 --> 00:37:24,240
looking at like the way you would look

1002
00:37:28,490 --> 00:37:26,640
at a driver behind a wheel of a car you

1003
00:37:30,109 --> 00:37:28,500
know it's a car but somehow when you're

1004
00:37:33,170 --> 00:37:30,119
looking at these crafts you're like that

1005
00:37:35,450 --> 00:37:33,180
is a conscious it's a Consciousness that

1006
00:37:37,730 --> 00:37:35,460
I'm looking at it's not just a crowd and

1007
00:37:40,370 --> 00:37:37,740
they respond to people on the ground

1008
00:37:42,050 --> 00:37:40,380
they you know uh speak telepathically to

1009
00:37:43,490 --> 00:37:42,060
people it's not just you know the

1010
00:37:46,370 --> 00:37:43,500
speaking telepathically it's the

1011
00:37:49,190 --> 00:37:46,380
transfer of emotions feelings thoughts

1012
00:37:50,690 --> 00:37:49,200
ideas it's like an invasion and because

1013
00:37:52,250 --> 00:37:50,700
you it's stuff you never had before

1014
00:37:54,530 --> 00:37:52,260
you've never had

1015
00:37:56,150 --> 00:37:54,540
that ability before and somehow they

1016
00:37:57,829 --> 00:37:56,160
hold the key to that and they keep

1017
00:37:59,810 --> 00:37:57,839
mentioning to people raise your

1018
00:38:01,609 --> 00:37:59,820
Consciousness or if they get people to

1019
00:38:03,109 --> 00:38:01,619
fly their ships they said well the ships

1020
00:38:05,150 --> 00:38:03,119
operate on my Consciousness my

1021
00:38:07,609 --> 00:38:05,160
Consciousness extended to the ship so

1022
00:38:10,190 --> 00:38:07,619
Consciousness has a huge part to play in

1023
00:38:11,870 --> 00:38:10,200
this and uh you know I keep thinking

1024
00:38:14,270 --> 00:38:11,880
about this like we're humans right now

1025
00:38:15,950 --> 00:38:14,280
all three of us uh we're conscious but

1026
00:38:18,349 --> 00:38:15,960
we're created from the universe so

1027
00:38:19,670 --> 00:38:18,359
technically we're conscious because of

1028
00:38:22,910 --> 00:38:19,680
the universe that might be something

1029
00:38:25,130 --> 00:38:22,920
that if life across the Galaxy or the

1030
00:38:26,930 --> 00:38:25,140
universe uh is like that we're all the

1031
00:38:28,490 --> 00:38:26,940
same Consciousness which is happening in

1032
00:38:31,190 --> 00:38:28,500
inhabit different bodies and we're

1033
00:38:32,990 --> 00:38:31,200
different evolutionary scales right uh

1034
00:38:34,130 --> 00:38:33,000
but yeah I know this this is a sorry I

1035
00:38:36,109 --> 00:38:34,140
just went down the rabbit hole but

1036
00:38:38,089 --> 00:38:36,119
that's usually where it leads right uh

1037
00:38:39,770 --> 00:38:38,099
you keep questioning these things I

1038
00:38:43,490 --> 00:38:39,780
actually wish people would talk more

1039
00:38:45,710 --> 00:38:43,500
about it or just kind of get it because

1040
00:38:47,810 --> 00:38:45,720
if you approach UFO and you think that

1041
00:38:49,730 --> 00:38:47,820
you're going to be okay with distance

1042
00:38:51,109 --> 00:38:49,740
and you're not going to be you're not

1043
00:38:53,329 --> 00:38:51,119
going to have no interaction you might

1044
00:38:55,790 --> 00:38:53,339
be wrong because they know you see them

1045
00:39:00,230 --> 00:38:55,800
if you see them they see you and

1046
00:39:02,450 --> 00:39:00,240
whatever you're thinking you know uh

1047
00:39:06,050 --> 00:39:02,460
I I've had I've had it happen to me I've

1048
00:39:08,810 --> 00:39:06,060
had the emotions I've had um extreme

1049
00:39:12,410 --> 00:39:08,820
amount I I don't even can't find the

1050
00:39:15,109 --> 00:39:12,420
right word for it but it's close to love

1051
00:39:16,430 --> 00:39:15,119
like I don't know if you can I know you

1052
00:39:19,069 --> 00:39:16,440
can't remember but if you were a baby

1053
00:39:21,829 --> 00:39:19,079
and your mom holding you yeah I know

1054
00:39:26,030 --> 00:39:21,839
it's just it's just so strange that

1055
00:39:28,430 --> 00:39:26,040
there is emotion there is sometimes um

1056
00:39:29,870 --> 00:39:28,440
intellectual type stuff like a couple

1057
00:39:32,930 --> 00:39:29,880
people

1058
00:39:35,210 --> 00:39:32,940
became uh started writing down uh

1059
00:39:38,089 --> 00:39:35,220
you know algebra equations and they're

1060
00:39:39,890 --> 00:39:38,099
not even into math it changes people and

1061
00:39:43,790 --> 00:39:39,900
actually uh some people become psychic

1062
00:39:45,829 --> 00:39:43,800
just from The Experience uh you know

1063
00:39:47,930 --> 00:39:45,839
it's like riding a bike and you you know

1064
00:39:50,089 --> 00:39:47,940
you never forget so when you're forced

1065
00:39:52,130 --> 00:39:50,099
into this experience you start to

1066
00:39:54,770 --> 00:39:52,140
realize that yourself that you have

1067
00:39:57,829 --> 00:39:54,780
psychic abilities because it's not just

1068
00:39:59,450 --> 00:39:57,839
that thing took over you it was y'all

1069
00:40:01,010 --> 00:39:59,460
are working together you know what I

1070
00:40:02,390 --> 00:40:01,020
mean and then the thing leaves and

1071
00:40:04,550 --> 00:40:02,400
you're and you're like oh my God there

1072
00:40:06,650 --> 00:40:04,560
is something to this and you start to

1073
00:40:08,089 --> 00:40:06,660
realize later on through your life you

1074
00:40:10,670 --> 00:40:08,099
start to feel like you're a superhero

1075
00:40:13,130 --> 00:40:10,680
because you you get that intuition I

1076
00:40:14,810 --> 00:40:13,140
should I should uh slow down

1077
00:40:16,069 --> 00:40:14,820
and then all of a sudden I'm really glad

1078
00:40:17,870 --> 00:40:16,079
I slowed down because the wreck happened

1079
00:40:19,069 --> 00:40:17,880
right in front of me or you know things

1080
00:40:22,250 --> 00:40:19,079
like that

1081
00:40:25,609 --> 00:40:22,260
um or I mean I can go on a whole range

1082
00:40:29,030 --> 00:40:25,619
but it's extra sensory perception or

1083
00:40:31,130 --> 00:40:29,040
your intuition has increased yeah and

1084
00:40:33,430 --> 00:40:31,140
then a normal standard that you used to

1085
00:40:36,410 --> 00:40:33,440
have so yeah

1086
00:40:37,970 --> 00:40:36,420
even with uh with people like when uh it

1087
00:40:40,010 --> 00:40:37,980
was talked about that quite a bit with

1088
00:40:42,470 --> 00:40:40,020
uh Louis just about like how you can

1089
00:40:44,030 --> 00:40:42,480
feel somebody's Vibe uh you know when

1090
00:40:45,050 --> 00:40:44,040
you're like you're getting a bad vibe

1091
00:40:46,670 --> 00:40:45,060
from somebody and you're like there's

1092
00:40:48,890 --> 00:40:46,680
something wrong with this person and it

1093
00:40:50,569 --> 00:40:48,900
turns out either that day or later on

1094
00:40:53,270 --> 00:40:50,579
you find out they're a complete

1095
00:40:55,010 --> 00:40:53,280
douchebag uh you know and that's that's

1096
00:40:56,870 --> 00:40:55,020
usually you had that feeling about them

1097
00:40:59,870 --> 00:40:56,880
right that usually doesn't lead you

1098
00:41:01,550 --> 00:40:59,880
astray and uh I find that it's a part of

1099
00:41:03,230 --> 00:41:01,560
our you know we all do it but we don't

1100
00:41:05,150 --> 00:41:03,240
talk about it because it's not something

1101
00:41:07,010 --> 00:41:05,160
that we can even animals have accents

1102
00:41:08,870 --> 00:41:07,020
yeah dogs are leery of certain people

1103
00:41:11,030 --> 00:41:08,880
and you find out they were a backstabber

1104
00:41:12,470 --> 00:41:11,040
or whatever maybe they're they're tuning

1105
00:41:14,210 --> 00:41:12,480
into some different frequency that we're

1106
00:41:15,770 --> 00:41:14,220
not but just probably something to do it

1107
00:41:18,290 --> 00:41:15,780
for sure and on the topic of

1108
00:41:21,050 --> 00:41:18,300
Consciousness we do have the odd message

1109
00:41:22,970 --> 00:41:21,060
go ahead sorry Jeremy no I I just

1110
00:41:25,310 --> 00:41:22,980
remember in the Army I'm sorry I was

1111
00:41:27,770 --> 00:41:25,320
82nd Airborne paratrooper and I don't

1112
00:41:29,750 --> 00:41:27,780
know maybe my drill sergeant was

1113
00:41:31,970 --> 00:41:29,760
making stuff up but he he was talking

1114
00:41:34,010 --> 00:41:31,980
about silent kills I was infantry I'm

1115
00:41:36,470 --> 00:41:34,020
sorry and when you're going to sneak up

1116
00:41:38,329 --> 00:41:36,480
on an enemy and kill them do not look at

1117
00:41:39,770 --> 00:41:38,339
the back of their head look at their

1118
00:41:42,349 --> 00:41:39,780
hands and look at their feet when they

1119
00:41:44,329 --> 00:41:42,359
go do the kill because the enemy might

1120
00:41:46,069 --> 00:41:44,339
feel that they're being watched so don't

1121
00:41:47,810 --> 00:41:46,079
Focus your intent on the back of their

1122
00:41:49,609 --> 00:41:47,820
head and I was like whoa whoa wait a

1123
00:41:51,530 --> 00:41:49,619
second timeout is that in the army

1124
00:41:53,690 --> 00:41:51,540
manual and then of course by asking

1125
00:41:57,170 --> 00:41:53,700
questions I'm doing push-ups again but

1126
00:41:59,390 --> 00:41:57,180
uh here's right I mean do an experiment

1127
00:42:01,490 --> 00:41:59,400
just sit behind somebody and just stare

1128
00:42:05,030 --> 00:42:01,500
at the back yeah and watch their body

1129
00:42:07,609 --> 00:42:05,040
move you know we do have that

1130
00:42:10,609 --> 00:42:07,619
um I'm just saying that uh the UFO

1131
00:42:14,270 --> 00:42:10,619
situation the real ones not the ones we

1132
00:42:16,550 --> 00:42:14,280
make uh it's it I can't describe the

1133
00:42:19,010 --> 00:42:16,560
words it's like

1134
00:42:21,050 --> 00:42:19,020
it would cause a religious experience or

1135
00:42:23,450 --> 00:42:21,060
a spiritual experience you can't get out

1136
00:42:25,010 --> 00:42:23,460
of it you know so yeah and some people

1137
00:42:26,329 --> 00:42:25,020
give us a hard time and they say you

1138
00:42:28,430 --> 00:42:26,339
know a lot of you guys talk about

1139
00:42:30,829 --> 00:42:28,440
Consciousness supposed to be just UFOs

1140
00:42:33,290 --> 00:42:30,839
and this and that well an opinion is one

1141
00:42:34,910 --> 00:42:33,300
thing until you have new information and

1142
00:42:37,190 --> 00:42:34,920
then if you don't adapt your opinion

1143
00:42:39,470 --> 00:42:37,200
you're being willfully ignorant you're

1144
00:42:40,849 --> 00:42:39,480
blocking out stuff that has validity

1145
00:42:42,829 --> 00:42:40,859
just because you're saying I don't want

1146
00:42:44,510 --> 00:42:42,839
to go there but the more and more we

1147
00:42:46,490 --> 00:42:44,520
talk to people that are educated been

1148
00:42:48,109 --> 00:42:46,500
studying this for years people like

1149
00:42:50,270 --> 00:42:48,119
Leslie Kane that have even had their own

1150
00:42:53,750 --> 00:42:50,280
experiences too and and talk about life

1151
00:42:55,609 --> 00:42:53,760
after death and it's more in that realm

1152
00:42:57,950 --> 00:42:55,619
now than it's ever been and if we really

1153
00:42:59,750 --> 00:42:57,960
want to understand it if it comes from

1154
00:43:02,150 --> 00:42:59,760
that we're never going to get there if

1155
00:43:03,770 --> 00:43:02,160
we don't look at that and you know true

1156
00:43:05,750 --> 00:43:03,780
scientists you know we've had Avi lobe

1157
00:43:07,790 --> 00:43:05,760
and Jacques valet on the show and they

1158
00:43:09,349 --> 00:43:07,800
Reserve judgment and say I don't know I

1159
00:43:11,030 --> 00:43:09,359
just go by what the information is

1160
00:43:13,430 --> 00:43:11,040
telling me and they've changed their

1161
00:43:14,809 --> 00:43:13,440
mind a dozen times because as new things

1162
00:43:17,089 --> 00:43:14,819
come into the picture you have to

1163
00:43:19,010 --> 00:43:17,099
consider that or eliminate it but you

1164
00:43:21,290 --> 00:43:19,020
don't eliminate it until you first

1165
00:43:23,770 --> 00:43:21,300
really consider it and and know it up

1166
00:43:25,970 --> 00:43:23,780
and down so Consciousness is definitely

1167
00:43:28,370 --> 00:43:25,980
more and more and more of something that

1168
00:43:30,470 --> 00:43:28,380
we have to look at it's this stranger of

1169
00:43:31,790 --> 00:43:30,480
the Sciences you know we like to stay in

1170
00:43:33,410 --> 00:43:31,800
the nuts and bolts world because we

1171
00:43:35,510 --> 00:43:33,420
think we understand that and we're just

1172
00:43:37,250 --> 00:43:35,520
starting to get a grip on that and now

1173
00:43:39,530 --> 00:43:37,260
it's this whole Rabbit Hole of things

1174
00:43:41,510 --> 00:43:39,540
that are far beyond and even in the

1175
00:43:43,550 --> 00:43:41,520
world of like Paranormal and Poltergeist

1176
00:43:45,170 --> 00:43:43,560
and guys like George Knapp talking about

1177
00:43:48,069 --> 00:43:45,180
going to Skinwalker Ranch and The

1178
00:43:50,870 --> 00:43:48,079
Hitchhiker effect oh yeah

1179
00:43:53,270 --> 00:43:50,880
they've had like UFO sightings and then

1180
00:43:56,089 --> 00:43:53,280
Poltergeist and the host how are they

1181
00:43:59,510 --> 00:43:56,099
connected even Bigfoot and UFO like it's

1182
00:44:01,010 --> 00:43:59,520
crazy but it's coming up a lot so there

1183
00:44:02,990 --> 00:44:01,020
might be something to it you know well

1184
00:44:05,329 --> 00:44:03,000
what we do is we compartmentalize or we

1185
00:44:07,309 --> 00:44:05,339
put things in categories this is a ghost

1186
00:44:10,309 --> 00:44:07,319
this is you up you know this is Santa

1187
00:44:12,650 --> 00:44:10,319
Claus it's a tooth fairy but um I'm

1188
00:44:14,329 --> 00:44:12,660
starting to think that the Paranormal is

1189
00:44:16,910 --> 00:44:14,339
kind of all the same when you start the

1190
00:44:17,930 --> 00:44:16,920
and I've had cases that I could I've had

1191
00:44:19,910 --> 00:44:17,940
a case where a woman's having

1192
00:44:22,069 --> 00:44:19,920
Poltergeist activity but she doesn't

1193
00:44:24,349 --> 00:44:22,079
she's not a religious person yeah so she

1194
00:44:26,329 --> 00:44:24,359
thinks it's aliens right and anybody

1195
00:44:28,730 --> 00:44:26,339
else like you need a priest right I'm

1196
00:44:30,950 --> 00:44:28,740
just saying same thing if I introduced

1197
00:44:33,770 --> 00:44:30,960
you to a reptilian alien big tall thing

1198
00:44:34,970 --> 00:44:33,780
but you saw the movie Predator okay so

1199
00:44:36,950 --> 00:44:34,980
you know that thing's not going to kill

1200
00:44:38,150 --> 00:44:36,960
you because you're not armed but if your

1201
00:44:41,349 --> 00:44:38,160
arm just gonna kill you that's that's

1202
00:44:44,630 --> 00:44:41,359
the rules in the movie or pregnant

1203
00:44:46,309 --> 00:44:44,640
okay or and then someone else who's very

1204
00:44:48,349 --> 00:44:46,319
religious or whatever would think that's

1205
00:44:50,450 --> 00:44:48,359
the devil body Boucher so we all have

1206
00:44:52,849 --> 00:44:50,460
our points of view ghosts supposedly

1207
00:44:53,990 --> 00:44:52,859
walk the walls I've heard that aliens

1208
00:44:55,550 --> 00:44:54,000
walk through walls when people are

1209
00:44:57,349 --> 00:44:55,560
getting abducted they're just they just

1210
00:44:58,550 --> 00:44:57,359
come through the door or just walk right

1211
00:45:01,430 --> 00:44:58,560
through it

1212
00:45:03,410 --> 00:45:01,440
very similar to that case I was telling

1213
00:45:05,329 --> 00:45:03,420
you about about how Chuck Mauldin

1214
00:45:07,309 --> 00:45:05,339
thought those two people were pulled

1215
00:45:10,730 --> 00:45:07,319
through the windshield if you think

1216
00:45:12,230 --> 00:45:10,740
about it if we want to break an atom if

1217
00:45:14,089 --> 00:45:12,240
you made it the size of the basket a

1218
00:45:16,010 --> 00:45:14,099
basketball the electrons spinning around

1219
00:45:17,450 --> 00:45:16,020
it would be miles away you have a

1220
00:45:19,490 --> 00:45:17,460
tremendous amount of space in between

1221
00:45:20,930 --> 00:45:19,500
there and if you can change the

1222
00:45:22,730 --> 00:45:20,940
vibration of that

1223
00:45:24,589 --> 00:45:22,740
and change the vibration of the solid

1224
00:45:27,589 --> 00:45:24,599
object theoretically you could walk

1225
00:45:29,809 --> 00:45:27,599
through it not a problem I I and I don't

1226
00:45:31,790 --> 00:45:29,819
know how they do it I've always wondered

1227
00:45:33,829 --> 00:45:31,800
how they do it how they're able to

1228
00:45:35,809 --> 00:45:33,839
walk it through people's walls or pull

1229
00:45:36,890 --> 00:45:35,819
people through their cars

1230
00:45:39,170 --> 00:45:36,900
um

1231
00:45:40,490 --> 00:45:39,180
I've heard stories of UFOs look like

1232
00:45:42,170 --> 00:45:40,500
they're about to crash into a mountain

1233
00:45:43,550 --> 00:45:42,180
but they just go through it you would

1234
00:45:45,589 --> 00:45:43,560
you would have to think it's kind of

1235
00:45:47,930 --> 00:45:45,599
what Einstein said if they could travel

1236
00:45:49,550 --> 00:45:47,940
the vast universe

1237
00:45:50,750 --> 00:45:49,560
that we're going to have difficulty

1238
00:45:52,970 --> 00:45:50,760
trying to shoot them down with our

1239
00:45:54,530 --> 00:45:52,980
machine guns on our on our airplanes you

1240
00:45:56,809 --> 00:45:54,540
know they could travel to water they

1241
00:45:59,809 --> 00:45:56,819
could travel through anything yeah I I

1242
00:46:01,910 --> 00:45:59,819
think overall it's not just one answer I

1243
00:46:05,150 --> 00:46:01,920
think we're being visited by others that

1244
00:46:07,550 --> 00:46:05,160
are not us I think we have

1245
00:46:09,470 --> 00:46:07,560
I'm actually willing to say 85 of all

1246
00:46:11,210 --> 00:46:09,480
UFOs are probably ours that we

1247
00:46:13,430 --> 00:46:11,220
manufacture and make them but there are

1248
00:46:15,710 --> 00:46:13,440
the unknowns and then you have things

1249
00:46:19,730 --> 00:46:15,720
that are dimensional

1250
00:46:21,950 --> 00:46:19,740
that um yeah and then if Daryl Sims

1251
00:46:24,890 --> 00:46:21,960
thinks they're bad

1252
00:46:26,569 --> 00:46:24,900
I I would say as above below I mean we

1253
00:46:28,309 --> 00:46:26,579
really

1254
00:46:29,630 --> 00:46:28,319
we can't leave the planet you and me

1255
00:46:32,150 --> 00:46:29,640
can't leave the planet but it'd be

1256
00:46:34,550 --> 00:46:32,160
really cool if we could leave and go

1257
00:46:37,069 --> 00:46:34,560
explore and learn about what's going on

1258
00:46:39,710 --> 00:46:37,079
out there we can only learn we can only

1259
00:46:41,510 --> 00:46:39,720
talk about what we know here yeah so

1260
00:46:43,910 --> 00:46:41,520
you've got can't say humans are bad

1261
00:46:46,250 --> 00:46:43,920
you've got Jeffrey Dahmer and then you

1262
00:46:48,890 --> 00:46:46,260
have you know what I mean

1263
00:46:50,630 --> 00:46:48,900
so I kind of think that that's that's

1264
00:46:52,190 --> 00:46:50,640
healthy that's a healthy statement you

1265
00:46:54,530 --> 00:46:52,200
can't I hear people say they're all good

1266
00:46:55,790 --> 00:46:54,540
you say they're bad you're wrong it's

1267
00:46:59,150 --> 00:46:55,800
like man that's when you're closing

1268
00:47:00,950 --> 00:46:59,160
yourself off you got to be open-minded I

1269
00:47:02,870 --> 00:47:00,960
mean I got like I think I actually like

1270
00:47:05,089 --> 00:47:02,880
what Stan Freeman used to say about the

1271
00:47:06,770 --> 00:47:05,099
the folders you have one folder that's

1272
00:47:09,890 --> 00:47:06,780
factual you know these are true and the

1273
00:47:12,050 --> 00:47:09,900
others the other folder that's um

1274
00:47:13,970 --> 00:47:12,060
BS and then you have the gray folder

1275
00:47:16,069 --> 00:47:13,980
you're not sure but you put it in there

1276
00:47:17,690 --> 00:47:16,079
and you wait for more information later

1277
00:47:21,190 --> 00:47:17,700
on in the future that might surface that

1278
00:47:24,410 --> 00:47:21,200
you could fall back on so I don't really

1279
00:47:26,990 --> 00:47:24,420
disprove anything we I just know that

1280
00:47:29,089 --> 00:47:27,000
it's just amazing that where we are

1281
00:47:30,589 --> 00:47:29,099
today we still don't have the answers to

1282
00:47:33,050 --> 00:47:30,599
these questions and I think that's what

1283
00:47:35,390 --> 00:47:33,060
makes life amazing I mean there's so

1284
00:47:36,589 --> 00:47:35,400
many Mysteries out there if we had all

1285
00:47:38,930 --> 00:47:36,599
the answers it'd probably be really

1286
00:47:41,569 --> 00:47:38,940
boring but I've been with mufon for

1287
00:47:42,890 --> 00:47:41,579
actually 17 years now and I still

1288
00:47:46,190 --> 00:47:42,900
haven't found an answer that has

1289
00:47:48,349 --> 00:47:46,200
satisfied me so have you found a a

1290
00:47:50,569 --> 00:47:48,359
change though like within the last five

1291
00:47:53,450 --> 00:47:50,579
years like have you noticed that it's a

1292
00:47:56,210 --> 00:47:53,460
it's a big change right big how has that

1293
00:47:57,650 --> 00:47:56,220
affected you well I've been on podcasts

1294
00:48:01,130 --> 00:47:57,660
where I've been ridiculed I've been

1295
00:48:03,050 --> 00:48:01,140
pumped like MTD punked you know uh they

1296
00:48:05,150 --> 00:48:03,060
played a Cheesy X-Files of Music in the

1297
00:48:07,849 --> 00:48:05,160
background uh

1298
00:48:09,589 --> 00:48:07,859
so back in the day we would as a UFO

1299
00:48:12,050 --> 00:48:09,599
investigator we would have to present

1300
00:48:13,790 --> 00:48:12,060
our evidence to explain why this is

1301
00:48:16,130 --> 00:48:13,800
worthy of investigation and they would

1302
00:48:17,450 --> 00:48:16,140
always bring on a debunker you know to

1303
00:48:20,630 --> 00:48:17,460
keep it balanced

1304
00:48:22,370 --> 00:48:20,640
once mainstream media went public with

1305
00:48:23,510 --> 00:48:22,380
the Tic Tac and the government coming

1306
00:48:26,210 --> 00:48:23,520
out

1307
00:48:29,569 --> 00:48:26,220
change a change happened

1308
00:48:31,970 --> 00:48:29,579
I mean even uh some of my relatives or

1309
00:48:34,190 --> 00:48:31,980
people that you know that never believed

1310
00:48:35,870 --> 00:48:34,200
it now believe it because because the

1311
00:48:37,190 --> 00:48:35,880
media is saying it and I'll tell you

1312
00:48:39,950 --> 00:48:37,200
what I'll tell you this and move on

1313
00:48:41,990 --> 00:48:39,960
right now sometimes we would get a few

1314
00:48:44,270 --> 00:48:42,000
people they're interesting backgrounds

1315
00:48:45,650 --> 00:48:44,280
but that want to be investigator now

1316
00:48:47,750 --> 00:48:45,660
we're getting people that have

1317
00:48:49,490 --> 00:48:47,760
extraordinary backgrounds that want to

1318
00:48:51,470 --> 00:48:49,500
be an investigator they've always wanted

1319
00:48:55,430 --> 00:48:51,480
to be investigator but they were afraid

1320
00:48:57,950 --> 00:48:55,440
of the ridicule tinfoil hat scenario and

1321
00:49:00,050 --> 00:48:57,960
they now they think it's okay to come in

1322
00:49:01,550 --> 00:49:00,060
we had a homicide detective that was one

1323
00:49:04,430 --> 00:49:01,560
of our chief investigators

1324
00:49:06,230 --> 00:49:04,440
for a year and his supervisor said this

1325
00:49:08,089 --> 00:49:06,240
is like way back in the day he said uh

1326
00:49:10,069 --> 00:49:08,099
you can't you can't be done move on

1327
00:49:12,589 --> 00:49:10,079
because when he's in court just imagine

1328
00:49:14,150 --> 00:49:12,599
the prosecutor in defense going back and

1329
00:49:16,130 --> 00:49:14,160
forth weren't you in the conspiracy

1330
00:49:17,870 --> 00:49:16,140
theories and then pull out the move-on

1331
00:49:19,670 --> 00:49:17,880
bag and then of course you're trying to

1332
00:49:21,890 --> 00:49:19,680
prosecute this guy for murder

1333
00:49:24,530 --> 00:49:21,900
so he had to step down because that

1334
00:49:26,329 --> 00:49:24,540
might have affect his real job and I

1335
00:49:28,370 --> 00:49:26,339
believe a lot of people were held back

1336
00:49:30,230 --> 00:49:28,380
because of the Judgment but now that

1337
00:49:33,050 --> 00:49:30,240
it's accepted through mainstream media

1338
00:49:36,109 --> 00:49:33,060
I'm seeing a whole bunch of awesome

1339
00:49:37,849 --> 00:49:36,119
walks of life talent that are that want

1340
00:49:40,370 --> 00:49:37,859
to be members and join the organization

1341
00:49:41,809 --> 00:49:40,380
so to me that's a big change because

1342
00:49:44,329 --> 00:49:41,819
I've been move on for a long time and

1343
00:49:46,609 --> 00:49:44,339
I've never seen it like this before so a

1344
00:49:48,650 --> 00:49:46,619
huge boom to to the move yes yeah yes

1345
00:49:50,630 --> 00:49:48,660
sir absolutely what do you think is

1346
00:49:52,309 --> 00:49:50,640
coming next like I mean there's been a

1347
00:49:55,069 --> 00:49:52,319
lot of talk in 2022 you know

1348
00:49:57,290 --> 00:49:55,079
Congressional hearings the report I'm of

1349
00:49:59,450 --> 00:49:57,300
the mindset that I don't care what's in

1350
00:50:01,490 --> 00:49:59,460
the report it's going to be scrubbed and

1351
00:50:04,790 --> 00:50:01,500
exactly how they want it and dumbed down

1352
00:50:06,230 --> 00:50:04,800
we just get more frustrated the more we

1353
00:50:07,670 --> 00:50:06,240
wait for them to give us what we're

1354
00:50:09,890 --> 00:50:07,680
looking for and the more it doesn't

1355
00:50:11,690 --> 00:50:09,900
happen so I'm more of the mindset that

1356
00:50:13,910 --> 00:50:11,700
this is going to come from private

1357
00:50:16,130 --> 00:50:13,920
sector science initiatives like Galileo

1358
00:50:18,050 --> 00:50:16,140
project guys like Rob Freeman going

1359
00:50:20,390 --> 00:50:18,060
around the world with high-tech gear and

1360
00:50:21,770 --> 00:50:20,400
David Mason and those kind of guys what

1361
00:50:24,230 --> 00:50:21,780
where do you think this is going to go

1362
00:50:27,170 --> 00:50:24,240
in 2023 and moving forward

1363
00:50:29,990 --> 00:50:27,180
I think move on will play a big role

1364
00:50:32,089 --> 00:50:30,000
um I do I don't I'm hearing rumors and

1365
00:50:34,309 --> 00:50:32,099
things like that and don't say nothing

1366
00:50:37,849 --> 00:50:34,319
Jeremy okay fine so I'll just give you

1367
00:50:39,829 --> 00:50:37,859
my two cents yeah I think Congress

1368
00:50:42,650 --> 00:50:39,839
um they got a bunch of money in that

1369
00:50:44,630 --> 00:50:42,660
package to deal with UFOs I don't know

1370
00:50:47,329 --> 00:50:44,640
the name of the package but they're

1371
00:50:48,829 --> 00:50:47,339
going to start spreading out not just

1372
00:50:50,690 --> 00:50:48,839
the Department of Defense investigating

1373
00:50:52,549 --> 00:50:50,700
but looking for

1374
00:50:54,349 --> 00:50:52,559
even People Like Us third party

1375
00:50:57,470 --> 00:50:54,359
investigators have been doing this for

1376
00:50:59,390 --> 00:50:57,480
ever you know um and trying to just

1377
00:51:01,430 --> 00:50:59,400
stretch out their resources to try to

1378
00:51:03,589 --> 00:51:01,440
come to an understanding of what that is

1379
00:51:05,450 --> 00:51:03,599
uh NASA

1380
00:51:07,490 --> 00:51:05,460
I always thought NASA stiffer not always

1381
00:51:09,410 --> 00:51:07,500
a straight answer so you know I'm on the

1382
00:51:10,609 --> 00:51:09,420
same boat with you I kind of feel like

1383
00:51:12,410 --> 00:51:10,619
it really pissed me off when they're

1384
00:51:13,970 --> 00:51:12,420
like this is a new thing because it's

1385
00:51:15,770 --> 00:51:13,980
not a new thing it's been going on for a

1386
00:51:17,809 --> 00:51:15,780
long time and I can't believe they even

1387
00:51:19,849 --> 00:51:17,819
pulled that card that's an insult not

1388
00:51:22,130 --> 00:51:19,859
just to my intelligence but even the

1389
00:51:25,309 --> 00:51:22,140
normies that know better

1390
00:51:26,329 --> 00:51:25,319
um but I do think that there's always an

1391
00:51:28,910 --> 00:51:26,339
agenda

1392
00:51:31,430 --> 00:51:28,920
to hey let's call them a threat so we

1393
00:51:33,829 --> 00:51:31,440
can get money for our defense budget and

1394
00:51:35,809 --> 00:51:33,839
maybe there are threat I don't know but

1395
00:51:37,730 --> 00:51:35,819
I think we shouldn't even go that route

1396
00:51:39,890 --> 00:51:37,740
what we should do is

1397
00:51:41,569 --> 00:51:39,900
spend the money to try to solve this

1398
00:51:43,490 --> 00:51:41,579
this mystery that we still haven't been

1399
00:51:46,190 --> 00:51:43,500
able to solve if the military's got

1400
00:51:48,109 --> 00:51:46,200
crash retrievals and you've got wreckage

1401
00:51:50,990 --> 00:51:48,119
let's roll that out why do you got to

1402
00:51:53,089 --> 00:51:51,000
get a small community of scientists you

1403
00:51:53,809 --> 00:51:53,099
know your next Einstein could be a poor

1404
00:51:55,970 --> 00:51:53,819
kid

1405
00:51:57,950 --> 00:51:55,980
in a foreign country

1406
00:52:01,010 --> 00:51:57,960
that will never have that opportunity to

1407
00:52:02,630 --> 00:52:01,020
study that so I think you should if you

1408
00:52:04,190 --> 00:52:02,640
haven't solved the mystery yet you

1409
00:52:07,309 --> 00:52:04,200
should open the doors for everybody

1410
00:52:09,950 --> 00:52:07,319
because I think there'll be somebody out

1411
00:52:11,750 --> 00:52:09,960
there that'll slowly but surely we'll

1412
00:52:13,250 --> 00:52:11,760
start to understand what this is unless

1413
00:52:15,170 --> 00:52:13,260
they already know and they're holding it

1414
00:52:17,089 --> 00:52:15,180
back from us hey I'm pretty sure we're

1415
00:52:20,290 --> 00:52:17,099
being visited

1416
00:52:22,790 --> 00:52:20,300
um by something that's not not us but

1417
00:52:25,370 --> 00:52:22,800
let's see some evidence you know it's

1418
00:52:27,829 --> 00:52:25,380
extraordinary claims I'm really looking

1419
00:52:29,870 --> 00:52:27,839
forward to that so I think disclosure

1420
00:52:32,630 --> 00:52:29,880
I I just got this gut feeling disclosure

1421
00:52:35,210 --> 00:52:32,640
is going to be a lie sorry the second

1422
00:52:36,589 --> 00:52:35,220
disclosure will be the truth and that'll

1423
00:52:38,750 --> 00:52:36,599
we'll have evidence we'll have something

1424
00:52:40,609 --> 00:52:38,760
we'll be able to hold in our hands it's

1425
00:52:42,710 --> 00:52:40,619
just a gut instinct I know it's just

1426
00:52:44,569 --> 00:52:42,720
just the way I've seen it I'm actually

1427
00:52:46,910 --> 00:52:44,579
really surprised that a few years ago

1428
00:52:49,250 --> 00:52:46,920
they came out and decided to push it why

1429
00:52:51,170 --> 00:52:49,260
now is it y'all spending way too much

1430
00:52:53,030 --> 00:52:51,180
money covering it up that you're just

1431
00:52:53,990 --> 00:52:53,040
tired of covering it up or something

1432
00:52:58,069 --> 00:52:54,000
coming

1433
00:53:00,470 --> 00:52:58,079
or do you need that scare card because

1434
00:53:02,030 --> 00:53:00,480
you're fear your fear of mongering is

1435
00:53:03,770 --> 00:53:02,040
just you know you know we got to do a

1436
00:53:05,690 --> 00:53:03,780
bigger pill here aliens everybody get

1437
00:53:09,049 --> 00:53:05,700
inside your house you know I don't know

1438
00:53:10,190 --> 00:53:09,059
I just don't um to me it's like WWE

1439
00:53:13,010 --> 00:53:10,200
wrestling

1440
00:53:16,250 --> 00:53:13,020
I just kind of feel like it's fake yeah

1441
00:53:18,109 --> 00:53:16,260
and uh what's real is people are seeing

1442
00:53:22,130 --> 00:53:18,119
things that they can't explain

1443
00:53:24,589 --> 00:53:22,140
and these these objects defy the laws of

1444
00:53:27,349 --> 00:53:24,599
physics I mean even our best planes we

1445
00:53:29,450 --> 00:53:27,359
can't pin them down but you got

1446
00:53:31,670 --> 00:53:29,460
companies like Raytheon that invented an

1447
00:53:34,549 --> 00:53:31,680
awesome device that's mounted on these

1448
00:53:37,730 --> 00:53:34,559
fighter jets to scan different uh

1449
00:53:39,589 --> 00:53:37,740
uh you know like uh infrared and all

1450
00:53:40,910 --> 00:53:39,599
that so they can catch capture these

1451
00:53:43,130 --> 00:53:40,920
objects because sometimes these objects

1452
00:53:46,250 --> 00:53:43,140
are invisible to naked eye infrared will

1453
00:53:48,290 --> 00:53:46,260
pick it up uh there's just so many we

1454
00:53:50,210 --> 00:53:48,300
got a bunch of technology that we should

1455
00:53:52,970 --> 00:53:50,220
utilize to try to

1456
00:53:56,390 --> 00:53:52,980
you know get as many answers as we can

1457
00:53:58,510 --> 00:53:56,400
um and I don't think censorship or oh we

1458
00:54:00,589 --> 00:53:58,520
need to classify UFOs as top secret

1459
00:54:01,970 --> 00:54:00,599
nobody's allowed to look at the UFO

1460
00:54:04,670 --> 00:54:01,980
pictures I think that's the wrong way to

1461
00:54:06,589 --> 00:54:04,680
go unless I understand it's our stuff

1462
00:54:08,510 --> 00:54:06,599
and we want to hide it from foreign

1463
00:54:10,910 --> 00:54:08,520
countries right for the Competitive Edge

1464
00:54:12,950 --> 00:54:10,920
in the military I totally get that but

1465
00:54:14,870 --> 00:54:12,960
uh I don't care about that I care about

1466
00:54:18,010 --> 00:54:14,880
what's going on out there and who's

1467
00:54:22,069 --> 00:54:20,150
they're probably here they're probably

1468
00:54:24,049 --> 00:54:22,079
underwater so many places you could hide

1469
00:54:25,790 --> 00:54:24,059
and it could be all of the above it

1470
00:54:26,990 --> 00:54:25,800
could be yeah pastoral could be

1471
00:54:29,390 --> 00:54:27,000
extraterrestrial could be

1472
00:54:32,030 --> 00:54:29,400
inter-dimensional it could be that it's

1473
00:54:33,530 --> 00:54:32,040
a [\h__\h] of things happening that

1474
00:54:35,630 --> 00:54:33,540
the government can't come out and say

1475
00:54:37,130 --> 00:54:35,640
hey this is what's happening and we are

1476
00:54:38,690 --> 00:54:37,140
losing our heads because we can't keep

1477
00:54:40,790 --> 00:54:38,700
track of it and there's nothing we can

1478
00:54:42,770 --> 00:54:40,800
do about it that's like how put off it's

1479
00:54:45,430 --> 00:54:42,780
basically his report saying it could be

1480
00:54:47,930 --> 00:54:45,440
a through F it's not one or the other

1481
00:54:50,569 --> 00:54:47,940
everything has Credence and you should

1482
00:54:54,170 --> 00:54:50,579
look at the whole body not just pick and

1483
00:54:56,569 --> 00:54:54,180
choose which suits your bias essentially

1484
00:54:58,910 --> 00:54:56,579
right and putting our egos aside too

1485
00:55:01,130 --> 00:54:58,920
this recently was watching a documentary

1486
00:55:03,230 --> 00:55:01,140
to talk about how apes are now using

1487
00:55:05,390 --> 00:55:03,240
tools they're entering the Stone Age

1488
00:55:06,890 --> 00:55:05,400
like they're using sticks that they

1489
00:55:08,930 --> 00:55:06,900
sharpen up themselves to hunt for fish

1490
00:55:10,130 --> 00:55:08,940
like they're entering this new stage of

1491
00:55:12,349 --> 00:55:10,140
evolution

1492
00:55:13,910 --> 00:55:12,359
what if that happened to us what if we

1493
00:55:16,370 --> 00:55:13,920
were that you know when we entered the

1494
00:55:19,150 --> 00:55:16,380
Stone Age a previous species before us

1495
00:55:21,410 --> 00:55:19,160
just elevated to another level like

1496
00:55:22,849 --> 00:55:21,420
monkeys and apes and you know in the

1497
00:55:24,890 --> 00:55:22,859
jungles has never seen a human don't

1498
00:55:26,569 --> 00:55:24,900
know that we exist but we co-exist with

1499
00:55:29,750 --> 00:55:26,579
them on the same Planet whatever they do

1500
00:55:31,790 --> 00:55:29,760
affects us and vice versa so you know

1501
00:55:33,530 --> 00:55:31,800
them living with us here for a long time

1502
00:55:35,990 --> 00:55:33,540
we're just now paying attention to them

1503
00:55:37,970 --> 00:55:36,000
that is a new idea that sort of starting

1504
00:55:39,589 --> 00:55:37,980
to pop into my head saying ah there's

1505
00:55:41,690 --> 00:55:39,599
probably some validity to that you know

1506
00:55:44,809 --> 00:55:41,700
prob probably and I thought that thought

1507
00:55:48,109 --> 00:55:44,819
before many times yeah um okay you're on

1508
00:55:49,430 --> 00:55:48,119
a boat you just stand a little canoe and

1509
00:55:50,930 --> 00:55:49,440
you're thinking about fishing or

1510
00:55:52,970 --> 00:55:50,940
whatever and you look down and you see

1511
00:55:54,770 --> 00:55:52,980
minnows there's a whole nother Universe

1512
00:55:56,569 --> 00:55:54,780
a whole nother World down there yeah

1513
00:55:59,450 --> 00:55:56,579
that thing's separated from us and we

1514
00:56:01,370 --> 00:55:59,460
can look down and I just kind of feel

1515
00:56:03,950 --> 00:56:01,380
yeah we a lot of people believe that

1516
00:56:04,910 --> 00:56:03,960
aliens are far away okay there might

1517
00:56:07,970 --> 00:56:04,920
just

1518
00:56:09,650 --> 00:56:07,980
be right here right under our nose and I

1519
00:56:11,770 --> 00:56:09,660
think one of the main reasons why people

1520
00:56:15,049 --> 00:56:11,780
are afraid of aliens you know the one

1521
00:56:17,329 --> 00:56:15,059
normies is they're afraid that they will

1522
00:56:21,170 --> 00:56:17,339
treat us the same way we treated animals

1523
00:56:23,210 --> 00:56:21,180
yeah you know it's that that fear

1524
00:56:25,370 --> 00:56:23,220
um and I just kind of feel like yeah the

1525
00:56:26,930 --> 00:56:25,380
fear of unknown I mean I I totally get

1526
00:56:28,370 --> 00:56:26,940
it but um

1527
00:56:29,809 --> 00:56:28,380
I'm pretty sure there's some friendly

1528
00:56:31,250 --> 00:56:29,819
ones out there and we can learn a lot

1529
00:56:32,390 --> 00:56:31,260
from each other and learn a lot about

1530
00:56:33,770 --> 00:56:32,400
ourselves

1531
00:56:35,210 --> 00:56:33,780
uh

1532
00:56:36,589 --> 00:56:35,220
I mean just look at all the species that

1533
00:56:39,109 --> 00:56:36,599
are on this planet

1534
00:56:40,730 --> 00:56:39,119
insects bugs you walk out your backyard

1535
00:56:42,829 --> 00:56:40,740
and just take your finger and dig

1536
00:56:44,930 --> 00:56:42,839
through the dirt and find something and

1537
00:56:47,870 --> 00:56:44,940
this is just one planet

1538
00:56:49,309 --> 00:56:47,880
you know yeah so if you look at Stephen

1539
00:56:52,490 --> 00:56:49,319
Hawking said you know you should never

1540
00:56:54,470 --> 00:56:52,500
try to reach out because anytime a more

1541
00:56:56,750 --> 00:56:54,480
advanced civilization has encountered a

1542
00:56:58,970 --> 00:56:56,760
lesser Advanced one it didn't turn out

1543
00:57:01,790 --> 00:56:58,980
so good for them yeah but that's being

1544
00:57:03,710 --> 00:57:01,800
said with human blinders on because

1545
00:57:05,990 --> 00:57:03,720
maybe we're flawed and that's how we

1546
00:57:08,270 --> 00:57:06,000
behave maybe there is a love and care

1547
00:57:10,490 --> 00:57:08,280
and benevolence in the universe that

1548
00:57:12,710 --> 00:57:10,500
sees that that's how we are and realizes

1549
00:57:14,990 --> 00:57:12,720
that's not good because it leads to war

1550
00:57:17,270 --> 00:57:15,000
and eventually self-destruction like you

1551
00:57:19,190 --> 00:57:17,280
don't advance to their level if you blow

1552
00:57:20,990 --> 00:57:19,200
yourself up after a million years of

1553
00:57:22,609 --> 00:57:21,000
evolution you know some of these

1554
00:57:24,770 --> 00:57:22,619
civilizations could have been around who

1555
00:57:26,569 --> 00:57:24,780
knows how long and to get to your point

1556
00:57:29,030 --> 00:57:26,579
Jason on Evolution when we chatted with

1557
00:57:31,250 --> 00:57:29,040
Michael Paul mastered Masters he was an

1558
00:57:33,230 --> 00:57:31,260
anthropologist basically saying that if

1559
00:57:35,329 --> 00:57:33,240
you look at where we came from ape-wise

1560
00:57:37,910 --> 00:57:35,339
what we look like now you know we have

1561
00:57:40,309 --> 00:57:37,920
shrinking Jaws wisdom teeth issues

1562
00:57:42,170 --> 00:57:40,319
spinal issues from being more erect than

1563
00:57:44,089 --> 00:57:42,180
we used to be he's like if you just fast

1564
00:57:46,190 --> 00:57:44,099
forward Evolution another however many

1565
00:57:48,349 --> 00:57:46,200
million years our heads get bigger

1566
00:57:50,809 --> 00:57:48,359
because our brains continue to grow our

1567
00:57:52,069 --> 00:57:50,819
eyes become bulbous skinny little arms

1568
00:57:54,589 --> 00:57:52,079
and fingers because we're not hunting

1569
00:57:56,690 --> 00:57:54,599
and foraging anymore maybe even a lack

1570
00:57:59,329 --> 00:57:56,700
of genitalia because we can't reproduce

1571
00:58:01,549 --> 00:57:59,339
we've poisoned our genome so his theory

1572
00:58:03,470 --> 00:58:01,559
is that it's us in the future and that's

1573
00:58:05,750 --> 00:58:03,480
just the Natural Evolution of what we

1574
00:58:08,450 --> 00:58:05,760
will be at some point and maybe things

1575
00:58:09,950 --> 00:58:08,460
go wrong and this is still the pool this

1576
00:58:12,589 --> 00:58:09,960
is the Fountain of Youth they have to

1577
00:58:15,049 --> 00:58:12,599
return to to keep us going in the future

1578
00:58:18,290 --> 00:58:15,059
so it's very interesting that Evolution

1579
00:58:20,270 --> 00:58:18,300
and is maybe a multi-cycle thing this

1580
00:58:21,890 --> 00:58:20,280
may be the multiple time this has

1581
00:58:23,990 --> 00:58:21,900
happened even on our own Planet who

1582
00:58:27,170 --> 00:58:24,000
knows I always wonder what could we

1583
00:58:29,210 --> 00:58:27,180
offer them in trade I started thinking

1584
00:58:31,190 --> 00:58:29,220
nothing yep we can't offer them anything

1585
00:58:32,630 --> 00:58:31,200
except maybe

1586
00:58:38,089 --> 00:58:32,640
genetics

1587
00:58:39,349 --> 00:58:38,099
correct yeah and

1588
00:58:45,289 --> 00:58:39,359
the

1589
00:58:47,150 --> 00:58:45,299
we're talking about ego here maybe it

1590
00:58:48,289 --> 00:58:47,160
has nothing to do with us maybe it has

1591
00:58:50,750 --> 00:58:48,299
something to do with the planet there's

1592
00:58:51,890 --> 00:58:50,760
something more important yeah you know

1593
00:58:53,630 --> 00:58:51,900
uh

1594
00:58:54,829 --> 00:58:53,640
or that we're not the only planet that

1595
00:58:56,329 --> 00:58:54,839
they're doing this to maybe there's

1596
00:58:58,910 --> 00:58:56,339
several other planets it's just a

1597
00:59:01,370 --> 00:58:58,920
project obviously expensive project uh

1598
00:59:04,010 --> 00:59:01,380
but it maybe it's something that is on a

1599
00:59:05,930 --> 00:59:04,020
galactical scale we don't know yeah if

1600
00:59:07,789 --> 00:59:05,940
you wanna if you want to like bomb proof

1601
00:59:10,370 --> 00:59:07,799
your civilization it would make sense to

1602
00:59:12,770 --> 00:59:10,380
see many places you know one asteroid

1603
00:59:14,630 --> 00:59:12,780
and this story doesn't exist anymore and

1604
00:59:16,609 --> 00:59:14,640
we never existed anymore as far as the

1605
00:59:18,710 --> 00:59:16,619
record goes so don't put all your eggs

1606
00:59:21,650 --> 00:59:18,720
in one basket maybe it's just an

1607
00:59:23,750 --> 00:59:21,660
insurance policy on life in general

1608
00:59:25,490 --> 00:59:23,760
but all our television broadcasts and

1609
00:59:27,890 --> 00:59:25,500
stuff will still exist out there in

1610
00:59:29,450 --> 00:59:27,900
space traveling or whatever that's right

1611
00:59:31,789 --> 00:59:29,460
family and forever and then one

1612
00:59:33,470 --> 00:59:31,799
civilization will find us and go this is

1613
00:59:35,569 --> 00:59:33,480
an interesting species we'd love to meet

1614
00:59:37,970 --> 00:59:35,579
them and by the time they get here our

1615
00:59:40,910 --> 00:59:37,980
plan doesn't even exist anymore you know

1616
00:59:43,789 --> 00:59:40,920
I've heard uh I heard a story about a

1617
00:59:47,270 --> 00:59:43,799
signal that was detected from a another

1618
00:59:49,670 --> 00:59:47,280
galaxy and uh the intelligence Community

1619
00:59:52,250 --> 00:59:49,680
was able to decipher it and it seemed

1620
00:59:53,630 --> 00:59:52,260
like a distressed call going out uh but

1621
00:59:56,150 --> 00:59:53,640
chances are That civilization doesn't

1622
00:59:57,950 --> 00:59:56,160
exist anymore because it took

1623
00:59:59,750 --> 00:59:57,960
billions and billions of years for that

1624
01:00:01,490 --> 00:59:59,760
signal to even get to us right even

1625
01:00:03,349 --> 01:00:01,500
Starlight is like that half of those

1626
01:00:05,030 --> 01:00:03,359
stars have since disappeared it's just

1627
01:00:08,930 --> 01:00:05,040
taken that long for the life to reach

1628
01:00:11,510 --> 01:00:08,940
our eyes yeah yeah I know it's uh like I

1629
01:00:13,430 --> 01:00:11,520
say I I would love to boldly go or no

1630
01:00:15,470 --> 01:00:13,440
man gong before and go out there and see

1631
01:00:19,130 --> 01:00:15,480
it for myself but we can't do that now

1632
01:00:20,990 --> 01:00:19,140
so we can at least I could do is uh just

1633
01:00:22,609 --> 01:00:21,000
accept move-on signing reports of what

1634
01:00:25,190 --> 01:00:22,619
other people are seeing in their in

1635
01:00:26,390 --> 01:00:25,200
their yard or or wherever but yeah the

1636
01:00:29,390 --> 01:00:26,400
starlink I'm gonna tell you something

1637
01:00:30,650 --> 01:00:29,400
about Elon if I ever meet Elon I'm gonna

1638
01:00:32,990 --> 01:00:30,660
complain I'm going to be like listen

1639
01:00:35,150 --> 01:00:33,000
every time your satellites goes over a

1640
01:00:37,130 --> 01:00:35,160
populated area we get slammed with

1641
01:00:40,549 --> 01:00:37,140
reports just

1642
01:00:42,829 --> 01:00:40,559
it's an explosion and uh yeah it's been

1643
01:00:45,109 --> 01:00:42,839
a pain in the hiney but we gotta we got

1644
01:00:47,390 --> 01:00:45,119
a simpler way to shut those down now so

1645
01:00:49,670 --> 01:00:47,400
yeah but back in the day I would yeah

1646
01:00:52,549 --> 01:00:49,680
you would it just be coming in 20 30

1647
01:00:54,530 --> 01:00:52,559
reports and it's like oh my God but uh

1648
01:00:56,630 --> 01:00:54,540
if you haven't seen it it looks very

1649
01:00:58,730 --> 01:00:56,640
interesting it looks like UFOs flying in

1650
01:01:00,230 --> 01:00:58,740
a formation yeah they're real close

1651
01:01:02,510 --> 01:01:00,240
together and they almost look like

1652
01:01:04,789 --> 01:01:02,520
they're they're not out there they seem

1653
01:01:06,829 --> 01:01:04,799
like they're flying low but the

1654
01:01:09,170 --> 01:01:06,839
but yeah anybody can check that out and

1655
01:01:11,329 --> 01:01:09,180
get on heavens above and see where all

1656
01:01:12,470 --> 01:01:11,339
the satellites are going we we utilize

1657
01:01:15,650 --> 01:01:12,480
that um

1658
01:01:17,750 --> 01:01:15,660
that uh utilize that you ever you've

1659
01:01:19,609 --> 01:01:17,760
heard heavens above right above yeah

1660
01:01:21,770 --> 01:01:19,619
I've haven't used the site myself but

1661
01:01:23,150 --> 01:01:21,780
have heard of it yeah just tells you

1662
01:01:24,470 --> 01:01:23,160
where most uh what's really cool about

1663
01:01:26,630 --> 01:01:24,480
that website is it'll tell you how

1664
01:01:29,390 --> 01:01:26,640
bright the satellites are and the Sun is

1665
01:01:31,309 --> 01:01:29,400
hitting the needle or the solar flares

1666
01:01:33,289 --> 01:01:31,319
it'll tell you the

1667
01:01:34,789 --> 01:01:33,299
you know how bright it would be would it

1668
01:01:37,250 --> 01:01:34,799
would you would someone be able to see

1669
01:01:39,170 --> 01:01:37,260
that sometimes when people call it I saw

1670
01:01:42,289 --> 01:01:39,180
a light way in the sky and it got real

1671
01:01:44,510 --> 01:01:42,299
bright and then it took off like like

1672
01:01:46,370 --> 01:01:44,520
the Millennium Falcon well I'll go to

1673
01:01:47,990 --> 01:01:46,380
heavens above immediately and I'll see

1674
01:01:50,390 --> 01:01:48,000
where they were standing and see what

1675
01:01:52,490 --> 01:01:50,400
satellite flew over because that's kind

1676
01:01:54,890 --> 01:01:52,500
of what it looks like once it once the

1677
01:01:56,329 --> 01:01:54,900
sun is reflecting off it it gets real

1678
01:01:59,089 --> 01:01:56,339
bright and then you don't see it anymore

1679
01:02:01,730 --> 01:01:59,099
and due to the Sci-Fi movies and our

1680
01:02:03,230 --> 01:02:01,740
conditioning of we're thinking it worked

1681
01:02:04,970 --> 01:02:03,240
out of there and so they get a lot of

1682
01:02:06,950 --> 01:02:04,980
reports of that but I like those because

1683
01:02:08,390 --> 01:02:06,960
I can't explain those but yeah but then

1684
01:02:10,490 --> 01:02:08,400
you still get the occasional person it's

1685
01:02:12,530 --> 01:02:10,500
like I was telepathically communicating

1686
01:02:15,010 --> 01:02:12,540
with it man it's like not so satellite

1687
01:02:17,630 --> 01:02:15,020
like it was a one-sided conversation

1688
01:02:19,670 --> 01:02:17,640
well then then most of the time if they

1689
01:02:21,770 --> 01:02:19,680
willingly

1690
01:02:22,970 --> 01:02:21,780
um bring that up before I even asked a

1691
01:02:24,770 --> 01:02:22,980
question

1692
01:02:27,349 --> 01:02:24,780
I think a normal person would be like

1693
01:02:29,390 --> 01:02:27,359
okay you're nuts not me you got my

1694
01:02:30,530 --> 01:02:29,400
undivided attention tell me more what

1695
01:02:32,690 --> 01:02:30,540
were you thinking what were you thinking

1696
01:02:34,430 --> 01:02:32,700
before that situation what were you

1697
01:02:36,950 --> 01:02:34,440
thinking that day yeah you think of that

1698
01:02:38,390 --> 01:02:36,960
UFOs before that day and then a person

1699
01:02:40,309 --> 01:02:38,400
would be like yeah I was thinking about

1700
01:02:41,990 --> 01:02:40,319
it and then I saw one I guess that's not

1701
01:02:44,690 --> 01:02:42,000
going to make me look credible I would

1702
01:02:46,510 --> 01:02:44,700
argue no no no no no it's the other way

1703
01:02:49,010 --> 01:02:46,520
around yeah yeah

1704
01:02:51,770 --> 01:02:49,020
but yeah there are there are people out

1705
01:02:53,809 --> 01:02:51,780
there that have ongoing experiences

1706
01:02:55,609 --> 01:02:53,819
they can feel them when they're coming

1707
01:02:57,049 --> 01:02:55,619
yeah well that's the one thing that I've

1708
01:02:58,130 --> 01:02:57,059
always been interested in this one like

1709
01:03:00,170 --> 01:02:58,140
even when you were talking about your

1710
01:03:02,510 --> 01:03:00,180
story and I've heard you say that story

1711
01:03:04,069 --> 01:03:02,520
before and that's always that but

1712
01:03:05,450 --> 01:03:04,079
there's that feeling whatever that

1713
01:03:07,609 --> 01:03:05,460
feeling that you had when you had your

1714
01:03:09,650 --> 01:03:07,619
sighting and your sighting was over a

1715
01:03:11,870 --> 01:03:09,660
long period of time it wasn't just a

1716
01:03:13,549 --> 01:03:11,880
five second sighting I mean you were at

1717
01:03:16,490 --> 01:03:13,559
it for what at least a half an hour at

1718
01:03:18,470 --> 01:03:16,500
least 15 minutes and I could have I

1719
01:03:21,230 --> 01:03:18,480
could have thrown a rock at it right so

1720
01:03:23,150 --> 01:03:21,240
that is a substantial sighting so when

1721
01:03:24,530 --> 01:03:23,160
somebody says you know if I saw

1722
01:03:26,329 --> 01:03:24,540
something like that and it had some sort

1723
01:03:28,970 --> 01:03:26,339
of telepathic communication absolutely

1724
01:03:31,069 --> 01:03:28,980
and that now I'm all ears right I've

1725
01:03:33,170 --> 01:03:31,079
just more on the fence when somebody

1726
01:03:34,370 --> 01:03:33,180
says they spoke to something it turns

1727
01:03:36,470 --> 01:03:34,380
out it was the International Space

1728
01:03:37,970 --> 01:03:36,480
Station flying above them right like

1729
01:03:39,049 --> 01:03:37,980
that's that's always well you have those

1730
01:03:40,970 --> 01:03:39,059
two

1731
01:03:43,010 --> 01:03:40,980
um yeah I

1732
01:03:44,270 --> 01:03:43,020
don't like talking about those because

1733
01:03:46,370 --> 01:03:44,280
but

1734
01:03:48,230 --> 01:03:46,380
oh my God I could tell you some stories

1735
01:03:50,450 --> 01:03:48,240
but you know that's the part of the job

1736
01:03:52,670 --> 01:03:50,460
yeah you know yeah

1737
01:03:53,990 --> 01:03:52,680
um Jeremy we we're going to wrap this up

1738
01:03:55,730 --> 01:03:54,000
because I know you have something to do

1739
01:03:57,890 --> 01:03:55,740
here sir we don't want to uh make you

1740
01:03:59,270 --> 01:03:57,900
late for your appointment

1741
01:04:01,430 --> 01:03:59,280
um Louie did you have any final

1742
01:04:03,049 --> 01:04:01,440
questions for our guest today no just a

1743
01:04:04,430 --> 01:04:03,059
quick uh plug for you Jeremy if people

1744
01:04:06,770 --> 01:04:04,440
want to follow you or find out more

1745
01:04:09,710 --> 01:04:06,780
where can they get in touch with you

1746
01:04:10,430 --> 01:04:09,720
um I I do have a Facebook account

1747
01:04:12,109 --> 01:04:10,440
um

1748
01:04:14,030 --> 01:04:12,119
so if you want to friend me that's fine

1749
01:04:15,650 --> 01:04:14,040
I usually don't talk on it but if you

1750
01:04:18,890 --> 01:04:15,660
want to private message me I'll talk and

1751
01:04:21,190 --> 01:04:18,900
I have a Twitter account uh but it's Ray

1752
01:04:23,390 --> 01:04:21,200
muffon so

1753
01:04:25,789 --> 01:04:23,400
r-a-y-m-u-f-o-n that would be my

1754
01:04:29,329 --> 01:04:25,799
username and you can find me and

1755
01:04:32,630 --> 01:04:29,339
actually raymoveon yahoo.com is my email

1756
01:04:34,250 --> 01:04:32,640
so if anybody wants to reach out

1757
01:04:36,770 --> 01:04:34,260
um yeah that's where you'll find me so

1758
01:04:38,990 --> 01:04:36,780
perfect Jeremy we thank you so much for

1759
01:04:40,190 --> 01:04:39,000
coming on UAP studies today it's been a

1760
01:04:42,109 --> 01:04:40,200
blast and let's not make it the only

1761
01:04:44,270 --> 01:04:42,119
time let's let's have you on again soon

1762
01:04:46,069 --> 01:04:44,280
okay I appreciate that thank you it's

1763
01:04:47,990 --> 01:04:46,079
just so short we can we can talk for

1764
01:04:50,089 --> 01:04:48,000
hours oh for hours on this subject

1765
01:04:56,870 --> 01:04:50,099
that's why we love doing it right yes